Help with ID # 1967 440

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    I have a 440 with an ID # of PT440P22850918. I can not find any info on what the letter "P" is after the 440. Is it what this engine came out of ? Is it a factory replacement? I just can't find any info. Can some of you SEASONED MOPAR GUYS help?.:hello2:
     
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    You have 14 digits in your vin. For the older cars they only had 11. Need the correct vin #
     
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      Are you positive it's a" P". A "P" would indicate its a 1960 block. A "B" would indicate a 1966. Could it be a "B"?
       
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        No VIN on engine 1967, 1968 was the first year.
         
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          only stampings that matter are on the pad next to distributor and on top where it meets bell housing (not sure if this exists on 67, mine are 68s)
           
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            didn't start stamping vins on them till 68, if you're sure it's a 440, the number should be 2536430 for 66-72, and 3698330 for 73-78

            and no, the PT is the plant (PT = trenton, where all big blocks except the hemi was made... hemi will start with mv or mn.. for marysville)... serial number is normally like this: PT440xxxxyyyy -

            PT is the plant (trenton or marysville)
            440 is displacement
            xxxx is julian date code based on 10,000 day calender
            yyyy is serial number for that day
             
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              The P is for Premium fuel.
               
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                Trenton engine produced hemi engines according to the retirees I spoke to.
                 
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                PT=Trenton
                440=engine size
                P = premium fuel.
                xxxx=Julian date
                xxxx=number made that day.
                 
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                  I believe you are right monaco. Oct 30,1967 is the date on the block so it is a model year 1968 block. There should be a D440 on the engine pad then. Did the HP blocks come stamped for premium fuel?
                   
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                    All 67-69 440's That I ever owned were stamped P for premium fuel, as they were all the same compression.(10.1:1)The 70' had two 440's and one of them (9.75:1) may have had the R for regular. The rule was the same for 340' 68-70, as they were 340P. in 71' the compression went to 10.0:1) and that engine is stamped 340P.But by 72' the 340 at 8.5 was stamped 340R. All 318's 67 up to who knows when was 318R. My 66' 273 HP @10.5 is also stamped 273P.

                    I hope that helps.
                     
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                      So knowing that a date coded October 30 1967 block. A car build date of April 11 1968. A "D440" on pad. All of this is before mopar started putting vin # on major components on vehicles . What would tie an engine to a pre and early 1968 vehicle as being original? All casting on engine components indicate the recipe for a "HP" block with out it being on the pad. Does using the letter "P" indicate it being comparable to an HP engine used in later years? Thank you guys for being so helpful.
                       

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                      The 440P merely reflects the recommended fuel, and all 440's were premium fuel engines that year. .It has no bearing on being an HP engine,since all the 440's then had the same compression. D440 refers to the year of the car. Both 68's' I own are stamped HP, and have the VIN on the block and transmission, Built in the fall of 67'. At the very least, the top pad on your engine would have been stamped HP. Prior to a VIN# stamped, you need the top pad stamped HP, and the date on the pad should be very close to the build date on your fender tag, like the 67's. if the engine is 10-30, then the date code on the tag usually is right after that, up to a month I've seen.(67) Look on your tag. if you have a 401 through 430, your car is six months newer then the engine. My 68' is stamped HP,and is dated 10-10, and the date on the fender tag says A13(oct 13)
                       
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                        Here re is the fender tag. Does it make better sense ?
                         

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                        Looks like 411,(april 68)Even my 383 two barrel has the VIN stamp, built sep 67. I hate to say it, but I feel it is unlikely the engine in your car is the original. Just by the date, and no HP stamp. Just my opinion.
                        Do you see any eight digit numbers on the driver side, top of engine,rear where the transmission attaches?
                         
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                        • Jimmy James

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                          No, none what so ever. Even on the auto transmission there is none what so ever. Why?? If you feel that this engine is not original, what do you think it came out of . How can this engine be tied to another vehicle? Could it not have a vin because it was a replacement for warranty reasons? If it is a warranted engine what would I look for.
                           
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                          owned my 68 GTX since 85........... car assembled 10/24/67...... for years I assumed it to be the original D440........ but years later and gaining a bit more knowledge, i realized it had a may 68 440 (cast in april, assembled in may), without the HP stamp .......... everything else appears to be original and date correct, car appeared unmolested when i got it........... block has no VIN anywhere........ now I assume it was fitted with a warranty short block not long after purchase
                           
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                            No numbers I know of for a warranty block in 68. although I believe Chrysler didn't date stamp the pad on warranty blocks. I'm not absolutely sure of that. my friend has a warranty 440 HP in his 67' charger, HP stamp but there was no date stamp on the top pad. My concern is the date is there, and is way ahead of the build date. Look at the part number on the transmission. If it isn't 2801541, the car definitely has the newer(midyear) transmission as well. I believe April was the change to the newer 69' HP transmission.(2892093)

                            Seeing the transmission number may tell you what the engine is from, as frequently those things are switched at the same time.(more info)
                            The short blocks were all the same in 440 that year. The HP stamp was applied when the engine was to be Installed, and Internal additions were made to the 440, but Nothing that can't be bought today. Now, I have a group of 68' 318 engines on the ground, and no Vin's on any of them. And I sold a 68' Chrysler 440 a couple years ago, no Vin# is on that one either. My opinion is hit or miss in the beginning of 68',(Non HP) and by 1 Jan 68 most were stamped. It would be nice to get some history on the car, it would help.
                             
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                              my trans has no VIN either .......... and i remember the speedometer being off, i always thought the trans had been swapped out at some time, but the no VIN thing is kind of strange
                               
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                                Post the Mopar part Number, that will help determine what car the transmission is from. It is on the left rail above the pan. near the shift linkage.
                                 
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