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Magnum Force has a new K member product

Having installed a 5.7 on an Alterktion in a 70 B Body, I can say this thing looks like it will work just fine, however, there is WAYYYYY too much bulk in that framework! I'll bet headers will be a bitch if not damn near impossible.
 
Magnum Force had that transgender setup before Bruce Jenner.
 
It's been out a while now, Larry (Kahn) already bought one for his Belvedere. I like the looks of it better than the others I've seen.
 
love my RMS Set up looks really clean and Tons of roooom !!
 
Having just completed a 1000 mile weekend joy ride in my GTX, I cannot imagine any product performing any better than the Alterkation!
P.S. maybe 2 people at Fall Fling even looked under the front end to SEE what was there so looks mean .....not much...except for the owner!
 
I went through and finally found the relevant posts. I'm not going to have near as much work and already knew about what I do need to do, but thanks for the read.....very interesting.
 
Okay, time to eat a bit of crow....Sort of.
Last weekend I helped a friend and his son with a 64 Valiant. It had the stock manual steering and a 73-76 A body front disc conversion. No sway bar, KYB shocks. The kid was in the Navy but hurt his knee and gets a disability check each month. FREE money to him I suppose since he works in computer systems and Information Technologies...all that stuff.
The kid had money saved and chose a kit from Magnum Force. Not this transgender setup but still a decent looking kit. Nice welds on the crossmember, nice bends too. The UCAs and LCAs fit great. Only a few small tweaks to get it all together. Aluminum Viking coil over strut/shocks. The kit came with down bars that weld to a plate you add to the cowl. The other end welds to the frame rails. They come with gussets that weld atop the shock mount on the engine side. I am impressed that they chose to add strength to the area that will now support the weight of the car. This is one of my biggest gripes about the kits that eliminate the torsion bars: The OEM system was designed to spread out the suspension loads among the K member, frame rails and the torsion bar crossmember. These coli over kits place all the loads into the frame rails entirely.
The kit came with Wilwood brakes and calipers. They couldn't drive the car after the install since Magnum Force messed up and didn't ship brake hoses with the other stuff. Not sure of the steering racks ratio but I'm sure it is far tighter than the 24 to 1 stock ratio! I almost **** a brick to learn the suspension and brakes totalled almost $5000. The kid had complained for years that he wanted headers and that they were just too difficult to install in the 63-66 A body cars. I told the dude that TTI has offered 1 5/8" headers for several years but I guess he was hell bent on going this route. Maybe they'll have the car up and mobile in a few days and I'll have an update.
 
Finally someone who agrees!!!! I've had the same concerns about these kits that eliminate the torsion bars.
 
Like any modified or custom......it takes work and one needs to understand how to do it.

One good look at the shock tower tells you that it is probably not a good idea to put the full load on them.

I'm not yet to installing mine, but know there will be supports on either side of both coilovers. MF is supposed to be adding them to the kit that fits my car and they are already part of some kits.

Since I have massive 5 into 1 (3 inch) headers there was really no good way to use the stock design. I like the adjustability of the coilovers, but each person must decide what they want it to do and then how to make it happen.
 
It's been out a while now, Larry (Kahn) already bought one for his Belvedere. I like the looks of it better than the others I've seen.

Yea, the video is from 2013. The RMS setup actually looks a lot cleaner.
 
I will readily admit that I have been pretty harsh on these aftermarket suspension kits. My opinions are not based on any examples of reported failures, just my own common sense. The words and opinions of guys like Rick Ehrenberg from Mopar Action magazine reinforced what I already felt. The factory torsion bar arrangement really is a great feat of engineering in stock form especially compared to a Ford or GM of the same era. Take a 70-81 Camaro or Firebird for example. Coil springs, huge lower control arms, front mounted steering box. Now look at a Mopar: Torsion bar "springs" mounted horizontally and lower to the ground. Smaller lower control arms with a strut rod. Rear mounted steering gear. These differences move some of the weight lower and rearward for better handling and balance.
Now...You want to install a big block or headers, right? Uhhh.... THAT is where it gets problematic. Those torsion bars occupy space that is where the headers want to be.
My buddy Mike with the 64 Valiant has talked about wanting headers for the car for years. I really don't know why he was willing to drop so much money for the Magnum Force (Or any other) kit for this car. A Flaming River 16 to 1 manual steering box and TTI headers would have cost less than a third of the MF kit.
Again, I did appreciate the thought they put into adding reinforcement to an area that will see a dramatic increase in load application.

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Since I have massive 5 into 1 (3 inch) headers

Viper V 10???
Or a really weird V8 with an extra pipe on each side???
 
I will readily admit that I have been pretty harsh on these aftermarket suspension kits. My opinions are not based on any examples of reported failures, just my own common sense. The words and opinions of guys like Rick Ehrenberg from Mopar Action magazine reinforced what I already felt. The factory torsion bar arrangement really is a great feat of engineering in stock form especially compared to a Ford or GM of the same era. Take a 70-81 Camaro or Firebird for example. Coil springs, huge lower control arms, front mounted steering box. Now look at a Mopar: Torsion bar "springs" mounted horizontally and lower to the ground. Smaller lower control arms with a strut rod. Rear mounted steering gear. These differences move some of the weight lower and rearward for better handling and balance.
Now...You want to install a big block or headers, right? Uhhh.... THAT is where it gets problematic. Those torsion bars occupy space that is where the headers want to be.
My buddy Mike with the 64 Valiant has talked about wanting headers for the car for years. I really don't know why he was willing to drop so much money for the Magnum Force (Or any other) kit for this car. A Flaming River 16 to 1 manual steering box and TTI headers would have cost less than a third of the MF kit.
Again, I did appreciate the thought they put into adding reinforcement to an area that will see a dramatic increase in load application.

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Viper V 10???
Or a really weird V8 with an extra pipe on each side???


Been looking for quick ratio options which is why I keep thinking of moving to a rack. I wasn't aware Flaming River sold a 16:1 Ratio box for our cars

Thanks Kern
 
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