Pie Tin Question.

1968 -1970 Mopars

  1. Geetex

    Geetex Well-Known Member

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    A few weeks ago, we were putting some finishing touches on my car and a question came up; is there supposed to be an air cleaner name plate/pie tin on my car? Here's the background on my car; it's a '70 GTX, 440-4, N96, automatic. I bought the car in 1983 and it had a 440 Super Commando pie tin on it when I bought it. In the 13 years since the car was new it certainly could have been put on by the previous owner, but I thought it was original.

    I didn't know that there was a question about this since every '70 GTX 440-4 that I can recall seeing had a 440 Super Commando pie tin on it. Referring to Dave Wise's assembly book he says that the car is not supposed to have a pie tin on it, it's only supposed to have the yellow Mopar "Do Not Oil" sticker on it. I didn't put too much thought into it figuring possibly Dave made a mistake in the book, besides, I referred to some old pictures that I have, from 1997, of a well-documented, burnt orange survivor '70 GTX that made the show circuit rounds and was in a some Mopar magazines at the time and that car had a pie tin on it. However, that car was a non-air grabber car with a dual snorkel black wrinkle finish air filter housing on it.

    Well, the question has been bothering me lately and as fate would have it, I had the privilege last weekend of going to look at a 25,000-mile survivor '70 GTX 440-4, N96, 4 speed car. I've known about the car for a couple of years, and I finally got a chance to go check it out. The story on the car is the current owner is the original owner, he bought the car new in 1970, drove it for 2 years, then parked it and bought a new 1972 GTO which he also drove for 2 years and then parked it. Both cars have hibernated, un-used, since they were parked. The owner is getting up there in years and wants to get the GTX back on the road to enjoy for a little bit, so he started getting it runnable again.

    In checking out the GTX I noticed that his car has no pie tin on it and according to him, never had one. Both of our cars were St. louis built cars, if I remember correctly his is an early February SBD car and mine is a February 28 SBD.

    So, after that long winded back story here's the question; does anyone have any definitive information on if and when pie tins were used on '70 GTX's. Were all of the GTX's that I've seen in the past wrong? Of the two known survivor cars that I've seen 1 had a pie tin but no air grabber and one didn't have a pie tin and had an air grabber. @69Coronetrt any input? @R413 anyone? Here's a picture of the survivor air cleaner and my air cleaner.

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    69Coronetrt Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the shout out but I'm not your guy on this one.....
     
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    Well, for what it's worth - I owned an original 1970 GTX from 1977 to 1980. The car was a factory air grabber, was originally owned by a mechanic at a local dealership, and was completely stock. He was a family guy who was laying low with the car - bench seat, column automatic, comfort options including ps, pdb, am tape player, tinted windshield. I wish I had an engine compartment picture, but I don't. Anyway, no pie tin on mine. I was a fanatic for NOS parts back in the day, hounding my ex brother in law (who was a Plymouth service manager)for parts. If the car had a pie tin, I would have replaced it with a factory piece. I hassled him for six months to get a set of NOS exhaust tips, and trunk moldings back in 1978. My car would have been a Lynch Road build, based on the fact it was sold new in Pennsylvania. I didn't know anything about fender tags or build sheets back then, just liked to keep the car looking the way it came from the factory.

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      Geetex Well-Known Member

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      Thanks for the response, I wish you had some insight on this one but, no problem. Thank you also for all of the helpful insight you've had on other questions.
       
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      It's worth something, another original air grabber car with no pie tin. I wonder what the reasoning was for leaving the pie tin off on air grabber cars. Thanks for the input.
       
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        I can't help but wonder if it was a price issue, as the factory had already poped for the shark decals on the air grabber scoop. I remember well the elaborate coyote decal on the air cleaner of the 1969 Hemi Road Runner our dealer sold new, maybe the 440 air grabber GTX couldn't justify under the hood ornamentation to the bean counters in 1970.
         
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        Geetex Well-Known Member

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        I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't seem as though a cheap part like that would be a concern on a premium line car. But car companies do like to pinch pennies in weird places.
         
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        Afaik - no Pie Tins on 70s fresh air hood 4-BBL cars.
         
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          Geetex Well-Known Member

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          That's what it's looking like. It would be nice to have something definitive to verify that with. Thanks for the input.
           
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          My wife's Lexus made me think of the possibility. Premium vehicle, stickered 50K new, and has the cheapest, nastiest dash and upper door material possible.
           
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          agreed
           
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