Shit is becoming real (Electric car thats rechargeable in 3 minutes)

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  1. Richard Cranium

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    .....And expect to be subsidized by the taxpayers by way of tax incentives and not paying road taxes.

    Currently, electric cars are welfare cars.
     
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    • slepr1

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      You missed the next sentence...

      "The study looked at the volume of CO2 absorbed and stored as the forest grows, versus the amounts released back into the atmosphere as it has been burned down or destroyed."
       
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        So then we need to start controlling the population is what you're saying? You first!
         
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        • slepr1

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          All auto manufactures get tax subsidized and huge bailouts, even the oil industry is subsidized, both adding up in the trillions.
          I agree that road taxes are a concern.

          "IMF study that found that the fossil fuel industry was receiving the equivalent of ~$5 trillion in subsidies per year."

          "let’s look at what other US-based automakers have received over the years. Here are the report cards for Fiat/Chrysler, General Motors, and Ford, in that order from Good Jobs First:"



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          GM Subsidies
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          https://electrek.co/2016/11/25/tesla-subsidies-big-three-oil-industry/
           
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          How do we determine how much CO2 is emitted/absorbed?
           
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            That isn't proof, as ot is only theory and conjecture.
            I said, observed scientific evidence. Just because something g is happen I g doesn't prove the cause.
            What from those reports proves Man is the cause?
            To prove a theory you must first establish a benchmark. Then if you believe X is the cause you must remove X and then observe what happens.
            Now...how ya gonna do that?
             
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            • Photon440

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              Not a real argument there, fuel road taxes don't actually pay for much of the roads, the rest comes from other sources - highway tolls, general revenues from local and state bonds, property taxes and sales taxes. So even if you don't drive or own a vehicle you're still helping pay for roads, subsidizing those who do drive.
               
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              Yeah, and what about all that space junk that man has trashed the Earth's orbit with casting shadows on the planet and it's changing of the weather patterns? But let's not talk about that because it's to complicated and not the root cause of the problem!
               
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                Is it even a cause?
                 
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                I've seen shadows from airplanes flying overhead, but never from an orbiting satellite. That would be cool!
                 
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                You can't throw the theory out the window because it's something to think about, but nobody will talk about, why?
                 
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                Can you prove the theory? Is it even possible?
                I appoint you to get a grant to study it and report back.
                 
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                  Same here in New Zealand.....electric cars do not pay any road user charges like all other fossil fuel vehicles.

                  And yet they are shaping up to be the straw that breaks the 'electricity grid network's back'

                  I am looking forward to the first electric car fire over here just to show how difficult they are to extinguish. Our fire-fighters will be running around like the Keystone Cops.

                  [​IMG]

                  (I hope my use of the apostrophe was appropriate.) :D
                   
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                  • Richard Cranium

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                    Historically, subsidies granted to the fossil fuel industry were designed to lower the cost of fossil fuel production and incentivize new domestic energy sources. But you have to ask yourself why is it that the fossil fuel industry is being demonized today?


                    Why so many subsidies for electric vehicles?
                    https://insidesources.com/why-so-many-subsidies-for-electric-vehicles/


                    Electric cars don't pay road tax.

                    There are no government rebates when one buys a gasoline powered car. In fact, the government will tax you more if they consider your car a gas guzzler. To make matters worse (in states that have sales tax), you have to pay sales tax on top of a gas tax.

                    The US government is proposing building electric car charging stations across the country paid for by tax dollars.

                    If you install Chinese built solar panels on your roof, there are government rebates and other tax incentives for those who do so.

                    More than half of the wind turbines running in the US come from overseas.
                     
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                      Does anyone here really believe the government will have difficulty finding away of taxing electric vehicle use? They will up calling it some cute name like "Tax by Watt." Or something.
                       
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                        Well over 20 years ago Oregon did a study of levying road tax other than through the sale of fuel. They latched onto the idea of using your odometer and charging you a "Road Usage" tax annually when you renewed your registration. At that time, the hinderance was the fact that most odometers were mechanical and easily tampered with. Heck, if nothing else, one could disconnect the speedometer to save on this annual tax. With the more modern electronic speedometers, and the fact that the odometer reading is stored in the ECU, this suddenly becomes the answer to extracting blood from a turnip.
                         
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                        Of course they will. Right now they are suckering people in.
                         
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                          Massachusetts and Rhode Island have already signed the new green deal into law,outlawing the operation of our classic cars.
                           
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