Dealing with ethanol

[Cornpatch MO]

I know most of us don't like to use ethanol, but we are going to be forced to do so. We didn't like un-leaded, but now we have learned to live with it. It is now hard to find any unleaded without ethanol, and when we do --ya gonna pay for it!
In my 64 Dodge build, I have sealed the gas tank with a product that is ethanol compatible, replaced all the fuel lines, and using hose that ethanol will not harm. I am hopeing that the fuel pump and Holley carb will tolerate the corn fuel. My 440 engine has reduced compression to about 9.5:1
Is there anything more I can do, and how should the tuneing be done as far as ignition and carburation?
Any input out there in Mopar land?..........................MO

 

[monaco66coupe]

My big problem is the vapor locking in the summer. my 383 does not like ethanol. I Installed an extra carb gasket, and Installed that aluminum foil type barrier that my Chrysler had. It did cool down the carb, and things Improved somewhat. That is when I'm forced to buy ethanol. I look for premium, as around here it isn't ethanol contaminated.
my 96 Ram drinks it, but It drinks anything,and gets around 14mpg doing it.

 

[sleepar]

I mix a 1/4 of a quart of motor oil in the tank at fill up... helps stabilize poor grade of fuel and sometimes add a gallon of 110 raceing fuel to a tank to recreate the 60's fuel... now a 1930's model would love today's fuel because it was a slurry mix then like now... in 30 years we will have to burn coal dust from a hopper at the rate were going

 

[coronet340]

Just start converting to LNG - There is so much coming out of the ground her in Texas they burn it just to drive the price up or to get rid of it when it comes up with the oil.
And corn hasn't been growing well here for awhile with the 4 year drought we have had. (Thanks a lot Al Gore)

 

[Rocketman]

I go out to our county airport and get 5 gallons on every tank fill up and we still have 5-6 stations here that sell gas without it

 

[Propwash]

Blocked crossovers and a composite or plastic phenolic spacer will help cure a ethanol vapor lock issue. Running a bypass return fuel system will also help. Avoid the garbage all together, but i'm guessing where you're at in corn country, that's gotta be tough. Our old engines don't like it, but it absolutely wreaks living havoc with 2 stroke engines like 4 wheelers, snowmobiles ect..ect.. Hate the stuff!

 

[monaco66coupe]

Oh yes, I put 110 in the GTX last summer, just 5 gallons with10 of premium, and what an attitude it took on!

 

[sleepar]

You can buy it in 5 gal. buckets from topco. Put engine oil in around 100:1 and no other additives are needed. It won't smoke but may smell like it.. it will give you upper cylinder lube to counter the crossive alcohol needed for cars with sensors and gas stations that mix water in the fuel. Old gas wouldn't mix and float New gas mixes and sinks.... to make spills disappear and not appear as bad as it is... it all for the oil gods comfort.

 

[BIG-A]

E10 or E85? We have E10 and a couple stations with non ethanol 90 octane. I tested the non ethanol in my 2004 Ram 2500 to see the mileage difference. We averaged right at 1 mpg better so the cost difference wasn't beneficial, I do burn the non ethanol in the Road Runner though.

 

[ga66mopar]

It is such a shame that American citizens has to scrounge around trying to find real gas just so some politician can take brides from corn companies to get reelection money.

 

[Rocketman]

E10 or E85? We have E10 and a couple stations with non ethanol 90 octane. I tested the non ethanol in my 2004 Ram 2500 to see the mileage difference. We averaged right at 1 mpg better so the cost difference wasn't beneficial, I do burn the non ethanol in the Road Runner though.

it is 3 miles per gallon difference in my 2010 150. On a 32 gallon tank, that is a big difference.

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It is such a shame that American citizens has to scrounge around trying to find real gas just so some politician can take brides from corn companies to get reelection money.

We not only subsidize farmers with taxpayer dollars, ethanol guaratees them high prices on corn and biodiesel doesn't hurt beans.

 

[monaco66coupe]

my 2013 patriot gets 25 with regular unleaded, 21 with ethanol. I avoid ethanol like the plague.

 

[BIG-A]

Rocket man and monaco66coupe what blend are you guys getting? E10 or E85?

 

[Cornpatch MO]

You can buy it in 5 gal. buckets from topco. Put engine oil in around 100:1 and no other additives are needed. It won't smoke but may smell like it.. it will give you upper cylinder lube to counter the crossive alcohol needed for cars with sensors and gas stations that mix water in the fuel. Old gas wouldn't mix and float New gas mixes and sinks.... to make spills disappear and not appear as bad as it is... it all for the oil gods comfort.

I have given thought to adding a little Marvel Mystery oil to my gas. I would think that would help with the lead free gas we have now...............MO

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Not much E-85 around here, but everything has at least 10-15% ethanol Most is about 85 octane. Local station here blends that stuff with 92 octane to be able to sell it as 87 octane and the price is about 30 cents a gallon higher.. But, straight 92 octane is hard to find and you have to get financing to be able to get a tank-full!!.............................MO

 

[monaco66coupe]

E10, Chrysler will void my warranty if I used E85.

 

[Cornpatch MO]

Anymore thoughts on what to do with ign. timeing and carb to get max performance? I am trying to avoid vapor lock with a rear opening scoop to let the heat out, fresh air induction, 1" thick carb spacer, and keeping the gas line away from heat source. ..................................MO

 

[monaco66coupe]

A friend told me to remove the AVS, and Install a new Holley 750 AVS, saying the old carb is Vulnerable to heat.
I'm still waiting to see if someone supports that. I do like the carb, I had it on a 360 once.

 

[Cornpatch MO]

A friend told me to remove the AVS, and Install a new Holley 750 AVS, saying the old carb is Vulnerable to heat.
I'm still waiting to see if someone supports that. I do like the carb, I had it on a 360 once.

Is that a Air Valve Secondary. I have a 750 double pump with mechanical secondary..............................MO

 

[Photon440]

I have given thought to adding a little Marvel Mystery oil to my gas. I would think that would help with the lead free gas we have now...............MO

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I've been thinking the same thing. Although ironically, Marvel Mystery Oil was invented in the 1920's to help with the problems that people had with too much lead in the gas back then.

 

[monaco66coupe]

Yes, My first one was OEM on a 1985 360 B300 Van. Then I had one on a 68 roadrunner(2007). it was very reliable, and fed the 383 with plenty to spare. started every time too. no flooding, hesitating, or anything. I'm starting to talk myself into the carb again.
Double pumpers were problematic to me if you want to drive the car regularly.