fuel cell question
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Shorthorse
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Jesse, First of all, is yours a street or race car?
If it's a race car there are a lot of advantages - but -
If it's a street car -
Your going to need a large cell or do a lot of gas station stops.
Your going to lose a lot of, if not all of your trunk space.
The hidden part is the final cost involved. Depending on how far you want to go and how far you really go will determine that. It usually gets out of hand. Plan well.
Poor planning on my part. I wanted to go to a fuel cell on my first race car. Heck, a 5 gallon fuel cell was under $100. Then came the electric fuel pump and regulator, the new lines, the AN fittings and the small misc. stuff.
If you have street car a new replacement tank is much less in the long run.
If it's a race car there are a lot of advantages - but -
If it's a street car -
Your going to need a large cell or do a lot of gas station stops.
Your going to lose a lot of, if not all of your trunk space.
The hidden part is the final cost involved. Depending on how far you want to go and how far you really go will determine that. It usually gets out of hand. Plan well.
Poor planning on my part. I wanted to go to a fuel cell on my first race car. Heck, a 5 gallon fuel cell was under $100. Then came the electric fuel pump and regulator, the new lines, the AN fittings and the small misc. stuff.
If you have street car a new replacement tank is much less in the long run.
kingzj
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I have a street car part time track car. I have the springs relocated and really like all the space not having a tank under the car has. I have a new replacement tank/sender/straps but really leaning twards a fuel cell. I was really hoping to see some photos of some all done up.
2quick
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I have a 66 satellite that i'm preparing to move the springs in on. I also want to run tailpipes which as you know occupy the same space that the leaf spring will occupy, So my plan is to remove the spare tire well and recess a 20 gal RCI aluminum fuel cell in place. This approach should give me about 5 " of clearance between the fuel cell and leaf springs, allowing tail pipes to run through to the bumper. I plan to weld a 1 1/2 inch aluminum angle around the fuel cell just flush with the top edge of the cell and build a 1 1/2 square tube support frame flush with bottom of trunk floor. Then I'll install nuts certs into the square tube and seal and bolt the angle flange of the fuel cell in place. This should keep out the tire smoke and fumes also makes it removable if needed. I don't have picture cause I haven't done it yet but that's the plan any hoo...
kingzj
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Nice setup, I am also doing what you have done and install the battery in the back.
I just put in a new trunk floor and I was hoping to not cut out the well but that does sound like a good idea to mount the way you described.
Anyone find a 12 gallon plus cell that fits nice in the well besides the atl well cell that is way overpriced?
I just put in a new trunk floor and I was hoping to not cut out the well but that does sound like a good idea to mount the way you described.
Anyone find a 12 gallon plus cell that fits nice in the well besides the atl well cell that is way overpriced?
SlinktRR
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I have one for a 67, it's a no-name that fits in the well but is just a plastic jug no bladder or baffling. That's why the ATL is so pricey, it is a true fuel cell. I need to get something like the ATL because the rules in the class I am running this year requires baffling, secondary steel containment and foam in order to pass tech.
Claw, really like your setup. where are you grounding the battery?
Claw, really like your setup. where are you grounding the battery?
The Claw
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Claw, really like your setup. where are you grounding the battery?[/QUOTE]
Thanks Slink. I bought the car set up like this. It's grounded in the bottom right of the for photo to the frame rail . I don't think is enough though because cranks real slow.
Thanks Slink. I bought the car set up like this. It's grounded in the bottom right of the for photo to the frame rail . I don't think is enough though because cranks real slow.
SlinktRR
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I need to do the same relocation. You may need to add another heavy duty ground (like 1/0 cable or 2 gauge) from the engine block to the front frame rail or suitable chassis ground to get it to crank stronger. I have found our cars love grounds to the block, more the better.
Shorthorse
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Claw, Nice install.
Kingzj, If you mount the tank flush to the trunk pan with the sump extending outside below the trunk pan and you go to the track, you should have a metal protective shield covering the sump of the fuel cell. It's in the rule book and depending on the tech at the track, you might not pass tech. It just depends on the track.
Kingzj, If you mount the tank flush to the trunk pan with the sump extending outside below the trunk pan and you go to the track, you should have a metal protective shield covering the sump of the fuel cell. It's in the rule book and depending on the tech at the track, you might not pass tech. It just depends on the track.
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Here is pix of my 10 gallon fuel cell. There is a square metal enclosure that the fuel cell sits into. About 60% of the fuel cell is actually below the level of the floor of the trunk. The metal enclosure that surrounds the portion of the fuel cell passes all tech requirements (and common sense requirements) the installation. There is a rectangular hole in the rear of this metal "tub" that houses the fuel cell. The outlet line that goes to the fuel pre-filter and pump comes out thru this rectangular cutout in the metal tub that houses the fuel cell.I have -8an braided steel hose coming out of the fuel cell that goes to the pre-filter, then to the pump. I put a "quick-disconnect fitting" inline on this -8an hose so I can pop it open and easily drain "street gas" out of the tank and then fill the cell with race gas.
What you are thinking about doing is not cheap (but what is, lol). You have to buy:
1) Fuel Cell
2) Construct a metal tub for the fuel cell to sit into
3) 8-an lines and fittings from the cell to the pre-filter, then to the electric pump
4) 1/2 line (or at least 3/8) metal line or braided hose up to the engine compartment and all the fittings that go along with it.
5) Sending unit to go into the tank so you will have a gas gauge.
Note: You notice the "return line" on the top of my tank because I have a "return style" fuel pressure regulator.
The other line coming out of the top of the fuel cell is the "vent" line.
PS: The battery charger in the picture is not a permanent item, I just finished charging the battery when I took the pix.Good Luck
mmissile
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At the chassis shop in 2005-2006? Used a translucent/10-gal cell. It now has a 16-gal aluminum cell in it's place.
...and after getting it wired and adding more componants.
...and after getting it wired and adding more componants.
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Schober Motorsports
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Here's a picture of what I did, I believe this was a 15 gal fuel cell... Did this last year with the intention of having it on the street, explaining the huge tank and the gas gauge sending unit. Its hooked up to a frame I made and welded to the body.
RacerAL
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My set-up is a bit different because I didn't retain the stock trunk pan when I built my car...the floors and trunk were both rusted beyond repair. I put a stock floor pan in it, but decided to just sheet metal the trunk. I decided to use a 5 gal cell..since I top off the fuel after every run so to keep the weight consistent.... I seen no reason to use a big cell.
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Schober Motorsports
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I believe this is the one I bought off summit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/jzp-254-016-01/overview/
It has no foam and a sending unit. Sending unit didn't work real well with the stock sending unit... It would show full at a half tank for some reason. Never really worried about it, since it would show empty when it still had 2 gallons left. I'd be willing to sell you mine if you are looking to get something like what I have. I am looking to get a smaller one since I am only going to be racing it. PM me if your interested.
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