about That car....

[BeatersRus]

You have to admit that whatever PM I sent was in RESPONSE to whatever you sent me. I am pretty laid back most of the time. I never claimed that I was too nice after being kicked in the shins. I will apologize if I ever was too pointed and I certainly appreciate the civil dialog between us. Thanks for your kind response!

actually,it wasnt,
you got pretty heated about me posting questions in your build topic about the story.
which i apologize for,
i should have created this thread Then,but live and learn.
and you sent me some rather actually,
...lets just move along shall we?...lol

at any rate i can see you can understand at least where im coming from,i just hope you understand where my concerns lay still.
do you plan to display it as the copy or the concept?
i guess is what it all boils down too.

and tbh,in the end,its your car ecs,
you are gonna do what you want to with it anyways.
right?
so thanks again for at least discussing the storyline with us.

 

[ECS]

do you plan to display it as the copy or the concept?

I can't actually say it's a copy to the concept Roger wrote about because there are too many unknown features about that particular Car. After talking with Roger, he didn't know the type or color of the Interior that was in the car, the Power Train (if any at all) as well as a few other features. As stated before, we were going to build this Car even if there would have been no story to accompany it. The 4 Door will stand on its own accord as a "What If" vehicle and it will be up to the observers to decide how they feel about the "possibility" of a 4 Door Concept Car. Regardless of the story, if everyone can overcome the animosity that has developed over time, I think that many will like the appearance and have a positive attitude towards the craftsmanship that went into the build.

Thanks for listening and discussing the specifics about this Car.

 

[dieseldazzle]

7 pages too much drama to read but i left off where pecker head was wanting a xx29j9 vin made......I want one too!!!

Lol I'm kidding, but ecs as I said before man you got skills

 

[Richard Cranium]

I've tried but I continuously get hammered. I too own some very unique/rare "high dollar" Chrysler Cars. I can assure you that I'm not out to harm my own or anyone else's best interests. Someone asked me if I do VIN related products out of necessity or just to make money. That was an odd thing to ask but I'll try to answer. While this has become my full time occupation, I never intended on it becoming a Career. I had a very good position running a Company and making a good living. Things started in 1997 when I needed a few "correct" decals for my Boss 302. I decided to make them myself. I didn't do it with starting a Company in mind. After I made a few decal variations, people starting asking If I would make them some. I would barter my decals for small parts that I needed for my Mustang restoration. Then I bought a Hemi Cuda and found the same dilemma with incorrect decals. They were not correct so I started making them for that Car. Things kept growing. Roger Gibson called one day and asked if I could make a VIN decal for one of his vehicles. I didn't know if I could but gave it a try. It worked and they became part of my portfolio. Daniel Banker got one from me (may God rest his soul) and put it on Moparts for everyone to see. Things blew up almost overnight. I started receiving calls from Canada asking if I could make modern day VIN's and the demand became so over-whelming that I started doing them too. It took 4.5 years of intense effort to get approval to make them. At one particular time, every one of the various Manufacturers said they would "never" approve anyone to reproduce them. Then came the Exhaust Systems and RPM and Ammo and on and on. Every aspect of my Company started from personal needs and grew from there. When I look back, the journey was anti-climatic because I never realized at the time that I was starting a business. ECS is the acronym for the first initials of my Children's names........Erin-Conner-Sarah.

The point is that I am nothing more than a Car Enthusiast that was fortunate/lucky enough to make things work for me. Don't get me wrong, it has taken a tremendous amount of effort, investment and hard work. I remember how hard it was to obtain correct reproduction parts so I vowed to do the very best I could for all the other people (just like me) who was tired of dealing with garbage parts. I do not compromise my integrity for financial gain. I do my best I can do to help the Industry and everything seems to fall into place. Years ago, a guy involved with the "fake" 1971 white Hemi Cuda Convertible called and offered me $50,000 to make him a "fake" Broadcast Sheet and a VIN decal so he could have a Fender Tag and VIN tag made for the car. I said no! If he would have offered a million dollars I would not have done it. When you do the right things you don't have to constantly be on the look out for someone knocking at your door to accuse you of a wrong doing. Besides, doing the right thing is the right thing to do, in everything you do. That's a brief history of how things happened for me in this Industry.

I don't have a picture to prove any of it but I hope you'll take my word for it!

Thanks for the insight. It's very much appreciated. I know that it's hard not to take what has been said here personally, but at least for me, my intent was never to sully your reputation or the work that you do.

 

[odcics2]

There's no need to interpret his "reasoning" for him. He was a "mail boy" because he was going for his Maters in Automotive Journalism and being a "mail boy" was a deliberate move that gave him access to every area of the Chrysler Headquarters. If you had any real knowledge about the Man (other than your limited hypothetical views and erroneous opinions) you'd know that to be fact.

Obviously, there is a need.
Just because a kid is learning to write about cars doesn't mean he knows anything about engineering, or manufacturing, or design.

If you can produce one vintage photo of a 4 dr. Barracuda, think of all the time you can save not having to tap out replies to morons like me, who don't believe any of this nonsense and hearsay!!

PLEASE - just produce ONE vintage photo!

 

[RT SE 440]

All good points above!

As RC has stated numerous times the issue is not some dinky door decal. The issue is the stamped metal VIN tag located on the dash.

If one is allowed to pop a metal VIN tag then it sets a precedent for another to occur....As we know this 4 door cuda is being built and is fully disclosed. That is not the issue, the problems is another VIN tag could be produced in the future on a much more rare and more valuable car. So who stamped this VIN tag?

reverse stamps are available every where anyone can stamp one if need be

 

[RT SE 440]

found this one looks like there is 2 of one

 

[chargerjy9]

Just an artist's rendering, not a photo. If the real "what if" car looked like this, I would like it better. The greenhouse on this rendering looks more in proportion to the body, whereas the greenhouse on the fabricated version seems way too tall and ungainly. The roof seems puffy. IMO, the greenhouse which "looks" like it came from a 4 door b body is not suited to the low,racy lines of the e body.

 

[moparnation74]

found this one looks like there is 2 of one

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Reverse stamp? Do you know how many multiple posters here have done the same over and over?
Go find something else even more meaningless.....

Btw what category does your repost of a picture found on the web cradle into????

Anyhow, the roofline in that pic looks phenominal!

 

[RT SE 440]

look i don't agree with it but Vin stamping has always been there and always will be you aren't going to stop it if there is money to be made,
.reverse stamps are readily available any font or size you want good luck on your quest to save the world of illegal Vin stamping.ps the photo cradles into the boring section of this discussion

 

[moparnation74]

look i don't agree with it but Vin stamping has always been there and always will be you aren't going to stop it if there is money to be made,
.reverse stamps are readily available any font or size you want good luck on your quest to save the world of illegal Vin stamping

Now I see what you were referring to.....
I thought you meant reposting something similar to another posting.....
Finally, I got my cup of Joe......
This is where you get it wrong....it is not a quest....the goal is to try, hence try to stop more from happening again...

 

[ECS]

If the real "what if" car looked like this, I would like it better.

For someone who worked in a "design studio" you don't seem have an understanding of the "real" world as it pertains to engineering possibilities. Take a good look at the "artist's rendering" of the Doors & Windows. If someone tried to make a realistic version of that car based on that actual appearance, the Door Glass would not roll up & down into the openings that are shown. They are significantly smaller and are offset to the Door size. I guess like any animated version of something, the image doesn't have to represent a functioning reality. With all your real world knowledge about this type of vehicle, I'm surprised you didn't see that.

Here's our "real" version. It may not look like the animated non functioning rendering but it does have a sporty appearance for a REAL 4 Door version of a Barracuda..............roofline and all.

 

[chargerjy9]

Actually, sir I do have an understanding, made a career of it.
Never said that the rendering is feasible. I know it is not and if you go back to when this blog started a couple years ago, that was discussed. I know why you did what you did. I know design, contrary to your inferences.You are not the only knowledgable "DESIGNER" in the room. You need to put your huge ego aside, there are others in the business who know what they are talking about. I showed your photos to people in the design industry, they were all of the same opinion as I.

 

[ECS]

Hey pal,
Never said that the rendering is feasible. I know it is not and if you go back to when this blog started a couple years ago, that was discussed. I know why you did what you did it. I know design contrary to your inferences.You are not the only knowledgable "DESIGNER" in the room. I showed your photos to people in the design industry, they were all of the same opinion as I.

Then why continue to bring up and praise a rendering "design" that you know is not a reality? Maybe that's part of the issue here!? Your design cronies feel slighted because they couldn't design and/or build a real vehicle like us lowly amateurs have done!

 

[chargerjy9]

Again, you read too much into what was really said. Did not praise it. As a matter of fact right now I am in a Design studio working on a clay model. I showed these photos here to 2 design professionals, asked them their thoughts without giving my input. They both said the same thing as I. NO ONE is critical of the build process. It is outstanding, but as you yourself said, the design concept is amateurish. Design 101 teaches you about proper proportions.This ain't it.

 

[ECS]

Design 101 teaches you about proper proportions.This ain't it.

LOL........then you should complain to Chrysler! You're so intent on belittling my project that you just criticized the designers from back in the day! We used the stock Door/Window openings that they used in their designs for their production 4 Door vehicles. LOL

Why don't you and your cronies continue playing with clay and we'll just continue to build the real cars.

 

[chargerjy9]

Hey pal, the whole point is that the 4 door B Body greenhouse just doesn't work aesthetically with the smaller profile E Body. The designers back in the day would not do and did not do what you are doing.

 

[chargerjy9]

"If you have notice, I've never ridiculed or criticized you guys for the position you have taken because I respect how others feel. I may get defensive but I never go on the offensive to attack you guys." post #102
Now there is a load of horse manure!
I never really wanted to get into the aesthetics of this build. That is a personal choice. But with your confrontational attitude, I just can't help it.
Hey pal, the whole point is that the 4 door B Body type greenhouse just doesn't work aesthetically with the smaller profile E Body. I know that you wanted to use existing glass and that forced you to engineer a greenhouse around the glass to accommodate that. That is obvious. That is why there is doubt cast on the existence of a sheet metal prototype back in 1970 era. The styling designers back in the day would not do, and did not do, what you are doing. it just isn't pleasing to the eye, the sporting, fast lines of the lower body just don't work with the tall stodgy shape that a greenhouse must have to accommodate the interior volume that 4 doors require. Yes, the rendering shown above, doesn't work with the constraints put on your concept, that is obvious. The rear door glass needs a CV glass at the rear, the glass split and a vertical track frame added and there may be too much tumblehome. However , if Styling were to design a 4 door Cuda, it would look more like the rendering, because they were not bound by using b body glass panels. So, it is possible that there was a clay or fiberglas buck of a 4 door. That is the only way, they would study the proposal. It is cost prohibitive to do a sheet metal proto as it would require going thru the process of clay, engineering drawings, tooling and stamping and assembly. That is only generally done when there is design approval by upper management. . So who on the outside would go thru that process? You are talking a huge sum of money. Chrysler was not GM, that would not have been done with out someone's knowledge. Your yellowed out quotes PROVE NOTHING re Chrysler. It was not done in the Chrysler Styling Studio. That is fact as you like to say. OBTW, Like said earlier, a clay or glas buck would not be left out side on a loading dock for 2 or 3 days. They would not hold up outside of studio climate conditions, clay melts in the heat. so that rules that out. A photo would certainly end the discussion.

 

[BeatersRus]

Hey pal, the whole point is that the 4 door B Body greenhouse just doesn't work aesthetically with the smaller profile E Body. The designers back in the day would not do and did not do what you are doing.

ive wondered a few times about the roofline on this project.
from the sides,the car looks,like a satellite?
im hoping when its all together itll even out more and show the cuda lines more.
maybe its just the angle of the side view pic?

 

[resq302]

Dave,

Next thing they will turn to is that the transmission isn't right and you needed to put this new trans in the car.