Adding a Hemi "DE-VALUE" a car ?

[QOTHL]

Post #16 - not all restorations are created equal. I've seen beautiful paint jobs with lousy interiors and then a 69 Charger with no work done to the front grill or tail lights. I've competed against guys who do restorations and BEAT their cars. Not just a little bit, I CRUSHED them.

 

[XS22J8R]

Since when?

I don’t know my GTOs that well so wondered what the story was in that 71 that sold for 400K. It was a Judge vert and they said only 2 made in that color.
I know Ram IV converts are top dog in the Pontiac world other than Trans Am verts, but those were 70 only I think. So what was so special on that ‘71?

 

[Budnicks]

Then, it seems the Mopars aren't bringing good $$$ ? As compared to the Brand X stuff ? I didn't see it ,but a 71 GTO got 400k ? WUT ???

same deal different day at the auctions, status quo

seems the brand X get more $$$
57 BelAirs Trans Ams Impalas Camaros Chevelles Mustangs/Shelbys etc.
more respect if you will, if money means respect

the MoPar racecars don't get anywhere near the respect as far as price
they do on the track thou

some of the MoPars seemed to me
like they've risen noticeably in prices/value,
cars like RRs or GTXs & 69.5 A12s (gen 2 Charger are always more)
that'd normally go for $40k-$50k-ish selling for $60k-$75k-ish
the upper ends that used to get maybe occasionally
mid $60k-$70ks now get mid $70k-$80ks etc.
& even a few of the lower on the price rungs, A-bodies
a few I saw were pretty damn good prices for the seller/consigners
up significantly, since last year anyway

edited added;
GM & Ford cars sold a shitload more, especially the specialty cars
like COPO or Nickey, Yenko & Shelby etc.
some 2-1 or 4-1 or more even, compared to MoPars brands
they are popular 'some in the millions'
seems that they now carry a bigger price tag too
seems if they were popular back then
they carry a bigger price today
so, no rhyme or reason except for popularity
(is my thoughts)

 

[Lefty71]

Did the restorer "de-value" the car itself by not using a 440-6bbl for it's originality.

Would not be a bit surprised to find that there was no original six pack or engine when the restoration/conversion started.

 

[QOTHL]

57 BelAirs Trans Ams Impalas Camaros Chevelles Mustangs/Shelbys etc.
more respect if you will, if money means respect

I'm looking at fully restored Bel Air's that are going for what you might get a project Charger for.
Most Mustangs, same thing.
Camaros, same thing. There is a classic car dealer in the next county and there is almost always at least one Camaro on the lot. I stopped in when a guy was buying a really nicely restored car for $27K.

 

[Jerry Hall]

I'm looking at fully restored Bel Air's that are going for what you might get a project Charger for.
Most Mustangs, same thing.
Camaros, same thing. There is a classic car dealer in the next county and there is almost always at least on Camaro on the lot. I stopped in when a guy was buying a really nicely retired car for $27K.

Spell check is working you over. I think you meant one Camaro and restored car.

 

[gkent]

So you find a decent 6-pak ragtop - but the motor has a hole in the block and the 6-pak is long gone. You restore the car and have to decide on a motor ... a non-numbers matching block but chase down all the other correct parts (spending a bundle in the process for "numbers" stuff) OR a Hemi for the same money as the 6-pak. Its a toss-up that only the builder and subsequent buyer can answer BUT I'll go out on a limb and say the same car with a hemi would bring at least 15K more than a non numbers matching 440 6-pak.

 

[WileERobby]

As some have mentioned, I too think there's something squirrely going on with that 6bbl/hemi cuda vert. A resto-mod RR brought a good $$.

 

[WileERobby]

What do Klingons know about Hemi's.....

Ay nevah new nuttin, but ay learnt it growin up !

 

[1967coronet]

Then, a date-correct 440 block would make no difference ? I think it was a 426 popped in it.

Thats just me, the ( date code correct ) is just a sales pitch for the correct motor is long gone.
To me the 426 does help alot over say a 5.7 convert.
Just the value of the 426 alone carries weight.
Heck the 2nd gen hemi adds value to a 32 ford coupe .

 

[QOTHL]

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[33 IMP]

I fell asleep reading it ^^^^, but thanks for your insight. I'm just curious what the "thinking" is out there.

My thinking is he is an idiot swapping a hemi into a car that already has REAL collector value,,when he could probably get the same clone money with a 318 car.
Before I read a single word of this thread, I pondered the question, and decided the only car that a hemi would DEvalue, would be a real sixpack car. I was wrong. It would devalue a documented maxwedge car too.

 

[QOTHL]

I'm gonna do it to a 318 71 Barracuda convertible.

 

[WileERobby]

I'm gonna do it to a 318 71 Barracuda convertible.

Are you serious ? That's probably the ultimate Hemi clone swap.

 

[Runcharger]

That's the thing. IMO it devalued the six pack convt. If the car had been a 340, 318, 383 it would have added value (probably by about the value of the Hemi and it's associated parts). That's the way it's been over the years anyway. I swapped this 440+4X4 over to a Hemi and I probably should have kept it a 440. Again though the original 440 was long gone and someone before me had welded in frame connectors anyway.

 

[gtx6970]

Odds are the car had issues and / or Skeletons in its past causing the price

 

[QOTHL]

Are you serious ? That's probably the ultimate Hemi clone swap.

Yes, I'm about to take the Hemi (68) to a shop for rebuild. Then I'm going to put it in my lovely Inviolet white interior 71 Barracuda convertible.

 

[Scott Engelhardt]

Last night a 67 Hemi RT only brought 57K
1967 Dodge Hemi Coronet R/T | F187 | Indy 2022 (mecum.com)

 

[Fran Blacker]

Today is another day but wajjets are thinner. Today 67 Coronet R/T Hemi convertible, lo S163.

 

[QuickBpBp]

I am with Runcharger on this… a v code convertible would take a hit and would have been cheaper to put a 6 pack motor in it.. other convertibles like a 318 or /6 it would add value… Just my opinion..