Windage tray questions

[Cheapsunglasses]

I’m planning on pulling my engine out of my GTX, and freshening it up in the not so distant future. It’s a 440 out of a 69 Newport, if I remember correctly I think it still has the c body pan and pickup tube. I have a couple questions

1. I know Chrysler did some things to some cars and there’s not always a rule of thumb, but would it have gotten a windage tray?

2. This one may be a dumb question, I searched the forum and couldn’t find an answer. But if it does not have one, are they generic, any windage tray for a big block go with any pan and pickup tube combo?

 

[4mulas]

HP motors generally received them from factory, I imagine some 350HP 440’s in the c bodies did too.
you can add one to any big block you want regardless if it originally came with one or not. Just get the matching stroke windage tray to the stroke of the crank. Ie: don’t try and put a 3.75 windage tray on a 4.15 crank etc…..

if doing a stock stroke crank buy a 3.75 windage tray

 

[R413]

The standard 350 horse engine in a 1969 440 didn’t get a windage tray.

All these engine were built for the car it was going into. It wasn’t left up to imagination. So they had different valve covers and oil pans for B and C bodies. Different valve covers for std vs HP engines. spark plug loom differences. Last 3 of the part number was written on grease pencil on the end of the valve covers.

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

HP motors generally received them from factory, I imagine some 350HP 440’s in the c bodies did too.
you can add one to any big block you want regardless if it originally came with one or not. Just get the matching stroke windage tray to the stroke of the crank. Ie: don’t try and put a 3.75 windage tray on a 4.15 crank etc…..

if doing a stock stroke crank buy a 3.75 windage tray

I knew about the stroke, and I kinda figured it was generic, I just wanted to be sure.

 

[33 IMP]

I knew about the stroke, and I kinda figured it was generic, I just wanted to be sure.

If the rods don't hit it, cause of a stroke increase, the standard Mopar windage tray will fit 361-440, and 426 hemi. A stroker needs an aftermarket stroker windage tray.

 

[RemCharger]

I'm guessing you have the 187 pan.
If so, best case is get a 402 with matching pickup and stock WT.
Or 1 of those plastic ones.

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

I saw that molded tray, I thought it was pretty neat, but some people say they work, some say you have to flatten something on the rails to make it work, and some say they don’t work at all.

 

[zyzzyx]

Get a tray with alot of cutouts in it. The more cutouts, the more oil will
be directed away from the crank. Also, go with the Hemi 6 quart pan & pickup.

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

I’m trying to do this as cheap as possible, I’ve been looking at the hemi pans, but the cost of them, holy moly!

 

[zyzzyx]

Mancini???

 

[zyzzyx]

Summit Racing, $103.00/free shipping!

 

[RemCharger]

I saw that molded tray, I thought it was pretty neat, but some people say they work, some say you have to flatten something on the rails to make it work, and some say they don’t work at all.

Meh, they'll seal to anything with some silicone.
Some people get too hardcore about putting them on 'completely dry'.
Just go with the ol gasket sammich and tin pan then.

 

[R413]

Some people can make anything leak.

 

[gkent]

Buy a cheap stock windage tray - its all you'll need with a pretty much stock rebuild. Don't overthink it !!!

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

Some people can make anything leak.

I’m probably one of those people

 

[Grabbergreendream]

If it helps I have 2 440s. One is a 74 c-body 440(no WT). The other is a 76 MH 440 and it had one. Both motors were never apart...

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

That’s what I was talking about, Chrysler and their just throwing parts on

 

[hunt2elk]

440 Source sells 6 quart "Hemi" pans and windage trays that are good quality and a decent price.

 

[Cheapsunglasses]

I was looking at that, thanks.

This may be another dumb question, but if I change the pan do I need a different dip stick?

 

[33 IMP]

I would say: theoretically no. An extra capacity pan still wants the full level a certain distance from the crank, to avoid windage. A really deep pan is used to get more oil even farther away from the crank.
What I do, install the new pan, wt, and filter, fill it with the recommended capacity, fire it up to circulate the oil. Let it sit, and remark the full level if necessary, with a file or hacksaw blade.