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Nice. Welcome from the central coast of Cal. If you decide to go Borgeson, get it from Peter at BAC. One of our sponsors here and you'll get EVERYTHING you need for the swap. Unlike many other sellers.
...sale is a Stage 2 Firm Feel PS box for B body applications. This box has maybe 100 miles on it and works perfectly.
I decided to go the Borgeson route shortly after running the Firm Feel box, but the Firm Feel box is a big improvement over stock.
Comes with high & low pressure hoses...
Time to install the Borgeson unit in my 68 Charger.
My car has the full package of subframes, ias shocks, hotchkis front and rear set, boxed lcas etc etc
....and a FF st3 box.
It ran like a gocart, the most enjoyable car I has ever driven.
....but then my federal pump died, changed to saginaw...
...to learn why some installations have the hissing sound and others do not. Maybe @BergmanAutoCraft can comment?
My car is the blue car KernDog posted above. Smaller AC pulley, hydraulic cam, Saginaw PS pump with external pump cooler, less than 500 miles since Borgeson box install and no hissing.
I don't mean to be rude but the Borgeson swap is one of the more popular upgrades that is done to these cars. This forum is CHOCK full of other threads that cover this. You can do a search of the forum for BORGESON and several threads will pop up.
In short, YES you can use the stock pump IF it...
...has been the "banding straps" like pictured on Firm Feels set walking off of the stack. Hotchkis appears to use the heavy duty straps that are pinned to the stack. Surprisingly Hotchkis is cheaper and come with hangers and hardware.
Springs, Borgeson gearbox and universal joint are all ordered.
It won't help much.. but i installed mine in november and finally drove it yesterday.. 40 minute drive and zero noise or issues and i love how it drives now. only complaint for me is the pump gets VERY hot.. 180 on a 65 degree day, will be adding a cooler for sure.
I drove my 67 charger project for the first time tonight. 6.4 crate motor, Holly terminator x max system, holley 12.3 digital dash, borgeson stearing box, vintage air, 727 with gear vendors, 4.10 gears.....
I only went a half mile down the road and back, but man....I'm still smiling!
I replaced my steering box with a new borgeson unit. Trying to install the pitman arm that was already on the car and it seemed to big. It wouldn’t turn when the steering shaft was turned. I figured my dad had put a different year steering box in and I needed the arm for the small sector shaft...
Thanks for sharing. I have a borgeson on my 67 Belvedere just installed. About 100 miles so far, I’m with Kerndog this is an amazing upgrade. The flaming river box that was on before was sloppy and felt over boosted.
...camber, caster and all the ball joints and bushings. Tires too.
If still an issue I'd look at the rebuilt boxes suggested above or the Borgeson unit.
Going back to manual you could still have the same slop but with steering that's a real pain in the *** when parking.
I had manual steering on...
Just did a friends 1979 Magnum with a Borgeson conversion from Bergman , this one had the Saginaw pump and Peter fixed me up with everything required. The difference was well worth the investment.
I tried the "pump it down" article for the saginaw pump. The shim idea that richard ehrenberg put out. I had bought a new saginaw pump, new borgeson gearbox, cooler, the upgraded linkage, etc. All of that have been working just fine, but still feel like the over powered factory gear box. No...
Thanks for the clarification - so I was wrong - if 1 shim is added it increases line pressure to the box, which the box likes, but has no impact on steering feel.