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1973 new rotors, hubs, bearings

Mark7378

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Okay, I have looked but have yet to find the answer to this question for replacement hubs and rotors for my 1973 Roadrunner. When I removed the old bearings, there are no races or cups. And the new hub assemblies look like they are machined so that the bearing drops right in without them. I bought a whole complete kit and the races will not fit whatsoever but the bearings fit great without them. Does anyone know if this is correct? Because it sure looks to be...
 
That was my conclusion, but I hate to make a mistake. I feel much better now. Thank you
 
I believe those races are for manufacturing only. Replace them with the ones that came with the bearings.
 
They will not fit. The new parts look just like the old parts. When I took the originals off it looks like they are machined to have no cup or race. Heck I even tried to beat the cups out but they are part of the assembly. I have seen other makes do this, I just have not done this type of job in 25 years so I wanted to be absolutely sure.
 
They will not fit. The new parts look just like the old parts. When I took the originals off it looks like they are machined to have no cup or race. Heck I even tried to beat the cups out but they are part of the assembly. I have seen other makes do this, I just have not done this type of job in 25 years so I wanted to be absolutely sure.
Pictures?
 
Thanks for asking for pictures , I could see better when taking them. R/T Boy 67 nailed it.

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Those races are removable, just knock them out from the Inside, the back of the races are usually exposed enough to hit or press on. If not, then a small weld bead on the race surface will shrink them and they will fall out.
 
You need to knock out the races in the rotors, then replace with the new ones that should have come with the bearings. You cab get genuine Timken units, set 2 and set 17, off Amazon and some other outlets. On your last picture, if you look down inside the bore, you can see the backside of the inner bearing race. If you flip the rotor over, you should be able to see the outer bearing race. I have been successful at driving those out with a ball peen hammer and a good sized drift punch that has the tip squared off, no chips. You need to work around that shoulder with the hammer/punch combo to walk it out when you come in from the backside. Putting them in is just the opposite, but it helps to use the old races to assist in driving them in. You'll know when it's bottomed out in the hub bore. There are special bearing race tools to use to drive the races in, but I've done the hammer/punch routine since the 70's and it has not failed yet. And make sure you pack the new bearings with disc brake rated wheel bearing grease. I hand pack mine. Another thing I learned from the 70's. Again there are special tools you can use to do that. One type is a unit that you use a grease gun to pack the bearings. Just have to make sure the grease is rated for disc brake wheel bearings. Have any friends working at a repair shop? Maybe they have a packer and can do it for you. If you don't already know, packing the bearings isn't just wiping grease on the outside. Its forcing grease through the rollers from one side of the bearing till it comes out between the rollers on the other side.
 
Those races are removable, just knock them out from the Inside, the back of the races are usually exposed enough to hit or press on. If not, then a small weld bead on the race surface will shrink them and they will fall out.
Yup. Like I said those are typically for manufacturing only from what I know. They are called outer races. You need to use the outer races that came with the new bearings.

Welding a bead in the race works great. The race will fall right out if you weld a full circumference.
 
The idea is the rotor comes fully usable with those new races installed. So the end user doesn't have to fk around
 
Thanks, I should have mentioned the bearings drop right into the new hub assembly. The bearings came with cups. The new ones I bought have them already installed.
 
Grease bearings, drop in, install seal, put on the spindle.
 
I think the pictures of the new ones because of the lighting, do not show the pre-installed races. The ones that come with the kit will not even remotely fit. I double checked them.
 
That's hack work. To each his own.

Its a bad idea..........
No, that's just the way it works. Call it what you will.
Show me some kind of documentation that that you have to deconstruct, then reconstruct your new rotors furnished with new races.
You're just going to make this poor fellow that all ready doesn't know what he's looking at, wreck his new stuff. You do you.
 
No, that's just the way it works. Call it what you will.
Show me some kind of documentation that that you have to deconstruct, then reconstruct your new rotors furnished with new races.
You're just going to make this poor fellow that all ready doesn't know what he's looking at, wreck his new stuff. You do you.
Its hack work. Period. To each his own.

I know a lot about bearings. I know a lot about bearing installation. The problem is the OP know nothing about my qualifications or yours but needs to filter what is right and wrong.

Zero chance that in my shop, or any other quality shop, would those races not get replaced.
 
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