A Case For Carrying A Firearm
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1967coronet440
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Yup, was just about to type that
the mississippi madman
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I actually do remember that. She's so right
Bb70charger500
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Wow ! That was the best thing I heard today . I wish People would get there act together . If all the good people have guns the bad people don't stand a chance! If all the good people do what there told by the government and democratic s then there just a bunch of sheeps going to slaughter! After this hurricane people show there true colors robbing and shooting each other my wife isn't aloud to bring her gun into her work but they make her park her car at the next building over and at 7:30-8 when she gets off some days it's pitch black and the area isn't the greatest. She's afraid to loose her job if she carrys she had her conceal carry permant . It makes me very made
There maybe a liability on her employer making her park that far from the exit, without an escort of some kind. She needs to approach her boss on this, and when she does document it on paper for her files. Include date time location who she talked to and any witnesses. Even better put the complaint on paper and address it to her boss or any other in charge company employee/owner. This may get her help, or show negligence on the companies part should something happen. Good luck.
Bb70charger500
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Sounds good . I'll see what I can do !
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Bruzilla
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There's a lot to be said for being armed at the right time, the problem is the right time rarely ever happens. I carried a lot when I got my carry permit, but I quickly realized it was a dumb thing for me to do. First, I had to constantly worry about where I went because some places you can carry and some you can't, so I was always having to take my P226 on and off. Second, when it was off and left in the car I had to worry about someone breaking into the car and stealing it... which is a far more likely situation that me getting in a use of force situation. Third, it's just plain uncomfortable to carry for long periods of time, especially if you sit a lot. I quickly found the psychological value of carrying is vastly more relevant than the practical value.
I think there are a lot of people with a legitimate need to carry, like folks moving lots of cash and making bank deposits, people who routinely carry valuables, etc., but for the other 99.99% of us, you really stand as much chance of needing to use a firearm as winning the lottery.
I think there are a lot of people with a legitimate need to carry, like folks moving lots of cash and making bank deposits, people who routinely carry valuables, etc., but for the other 99.99% of us, you really stand as much chance of needing to use a firearm as winning the lottery.
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It's not so much the personal need.
It's the theory that a victim COULD be armed.
Hence, a safer society in general.
(Sort of like a "union"?)
People taking care of one another rather than being out simply for one's own personal good.
("You're number one...after me.")
It's also a women's rights issue.
Think about it.
Nothing new here.
Happens everyday.
Just not widely reported.
This 3 hours ago.
Not even a man bites dog story.
(ugh)
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...b-man-walking-his-dog/KWCE6dE46YntaV3rVz7qRO/
It's the theory that a victim COULD be armed.
Hence, a safer society in general.
(Sort of like a "union"?)
People taking care of one another rather than being out simply for one's own personal good.
("You're number one...after me.")
It's also a women's rights issue.
Think about it.
Nothing new here.
Happens everyday.
Just not widely reported.
This 3 hours ago.
Not even a man bites dog story.
(ugh)
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...b-man-walking-his-dog/KWCE6dE46YntaV3rVz7qRO/
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not so famous bob
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Another case for having it w/ you ! Anyone notice Charles shumer (or however u spell it)in the video? he`s a total nutcase, probably immediately voted against cc. !
NJRR
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Tell that to the asshole legislators in NJ !!! I'm in retail. Back when business was 90% cash and 10% credit cards (it's the opposite now), I used to make large cash deposits regularly. I went to the chief of police in my town to ask about getting a concealed carry permit and explained why. He said don't bother. You need a judge to approve the application and they only give cc to law enforcement and armed security guards. They will tell me to hire an armored car service to pick up my deposits. Ridiculous !!! NJ sucks for gun rights !!!
Bruzilla
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We saw this principal play out in Florida in the 1980s. The law was changed, and drivers were allowed to keep loaded guns in their cars. As a result, thugs in Miami were targeting rental cars leaving the Miami airport for carjackings and robberies. When they got caught, they said they were targeting these cars because they were the only ones the were sure wouldn't have guns in them. Once the state changed the laws on rental car tags, and they couldn't tell a rental from a non-rental, the attacks stopped. It didn't matter that maybe one in a thousand drivers was armed. Just the slight chance one could be armed was enough to influence the bad guys.
But as I tell my self defense students, you're likely going to find that situations where you can see danger coming are few and far between. A blitz attack is far more likely, and a blitz attacker isn't as concerned if someone is armed as they feel they can get control of someone before they can get to a weapon, which is why I stress weak-hand functionality so much. So the fact that someone might be armed isn't as much an influence on your person as much as in your car or residence.
Bruzilla
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I'll do 'ya one better. When I was working for a sheriff's office in Maryland, a lot of guys who worked in Corrections applied for permits and were denied. They were told "you must prove a demonstrable threat to your life", and they would say "Come spend ten minutes in the Detention Center", but the state considered those threats of killing the guards not "demonstrable." Basically, you had to first be killed before they would issue you a permit.
This was the same government that has mandatory background checks, but conclude you are either "Disapproved" or "Not Disapproved." There is no "Approved" status because that could be taken as Maryland approves of gun ownership.
OK charger
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Not to be argumentative but if your firearm is uncomfortable you need to look at better carry options. I carry my Glock 19 in a crossbreed holster and its comfortable whether I'm sitting,walking or driving.I think this video at the top demonstrates the need to have it at all times. Heck I even carry at church.
Bb70charger500
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I can't believe there's an argument here! Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you need to use it! But if/ when that time does arise you can defend yourself and others around you . Just think if one person was able to have a gun at the pulse night club shooting. They could of changed the out come greatly. The other day we had a very bad person with a gun looting because we had guns we were able to stop him and get him off the street without loss of life!
Bad guys have gun s you can't stop that! There's always great amount s of loss of life!
If all the good people have guns ,firstly this will make the bad guy think twice, and if a situation happens it can be neutralized extremely fast! And loss of life will be far less ! It purity common sense stuff I'd say! I can simplify it for you leftys if you want
Man has stick . Other man doesn't .Guy with no stick dies!
Both men have sticks ! They walk away because there's a chance they could both get hurt now! Or even fight !
Very simple don't be with out a way to defend you and your family . If your to stupid to understand this concept at least give your wife a gun so she can defend her family why your dieing on the ground because you were trying to reason with a psychotic *** hole!
Bad guys have gun s you can't stop that! There's always great amount s of loss of life!
If all the good people have guns ,firstly this will make the bad guy think twice, and if a situation happens it can be neutralized extremely fast! And loss of life will be far less ! It purity common sense stuff I'd say! I can simplify it for you leftys if you want
Man has stick . Other man doesn't .Guy with no stick dies!
Both men have sticks ! They walk away because there's a chance they could both get hurt now! Or even fight !
Very simple don't be with out a way to defend you and your family . If your to stupid to understand this concept at least give your wife a gun so she can defend her family why your dieing on the ground because you were trying to reason with a psychotic *** hole!
Bruzilla
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And let me ask you... how many times have you ever had a need to brandish or fire your weapon? If you're like pretty much every carryer, the answer is never. I know... you want to make the Boy Scout point of always being prepared, and it's one that I used to make myself, but like I wrote it didn't take long for me to realize I was imposing multiple actual problems, comfort being just one of them, on myself in order to avoid one very unlikely problem, which doesn't make much sense.
I keep seeing ads for these concealed carry holsters that are designed to hold a loaded pistol plus three additional magazines. That's more ammo than our troops carry into combat! These folks just don't get that the concept of a pitch-gun battle doesn't really exist outside movies and TV. In the real world, once someone pulls a gun and fires a couple of shots, the bad guys run for the hills, so you're not going to be hunkered down behind some boxes popping in new magazines and returning fire like you see on TV, but there are lots of guys who say "But I have to be prepared for every situation!" Yeah... okay... go for it, but I still think this is more about feeling empowered than any self-defense need.
OK charger
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On or off duty?
Bruzilla
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Which goes right back to my original point, which is the odds you are every going to be in that position are about as likely as you winning the lottery.
You mention the shooting at the Pulse night club. I agree that one person with a gun could have saved a lot of lives, but let's put some perspective to that idea. According to the Nightlife Association, there are 3,191 night clubs in Florida. Each of these clubs has a visitor count of about 342 a day. There's been one night club attack. That means about a 1 in 1,094,057 chance of being in that position. Is that worth dealing with all the issues of carrying? I'm sure you can find someone who will say "Hell Yes!" but not me.
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