Electric Cars
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mopar 3 B
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Cutting the ambiblical cord to soon and watch it die is all that comes to mind.
Reminds me of a job we are doing at the moment. A company that supplies recyclable cups at festivals - the machines they use to wash them use a huge amount of electricity to run, as well as a considerable amount of water. The number of staff is high, and drying the cups can take a lot of time and space. The machines are also bulky, so transporting these machines to sites is expensive and time consuming, so there is a lot of 'hidden' environmental impact on a so-called Greenie solution to throwing away a simple cup.
Reminds me of a job we are doing at the moment. A company that supplies recyclable cups at festivals - the machines they use to wash them use a huge amount of electricity to run, as well as a considerable amount of water. The number of staff is high, and drying the cups can take a lot of time and space. The machines are also bulky, so transporting these machines to sites is expensive and time consuming, so there is a lot of 'hidden' environmental impact on a so-called Greenie solution to throwing away a simple cup.
Like Ethanol !
mopar 3 B
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Like there is more profit in the byproducts of ethonal than in the fuel its self. Take one of those plants and convert it to consumable alcohols and watch the profits sore.
kowalski
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Profits are slim after the government gets it's share of taxes when drinking alcohol is concerned, unfortunately...
mopar 3 B
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There price of the evil brew and those with no since of responsibility.
Reminds me of a job we are doing at the moment. A company that supplies recyclable cups at festivals - the machines they use to wash them use a huge amount of electricity to run, as well as a considerable amount of water. The number of staff is high, and drying the cups can take a lot of time and space. The machines are also bulky, so transporting these machines to sites is expensive and time consuming, so there is a lot of 'hidden' environmental impact on a so-called Greenie solution to throwing away a simple cup.
This reminds me of a construction job the contractor I work for was given the task of building.
It is a glass plant built all new to make wine bottles for the northwest. The owner was from back east with a family business that went back many years. (They filled bottles for companies like coca cola.)
The plant was to be "green"--as in electric furnace for the melt as opposed to gas fired. The biggest electric glass melt furnace in the world.
I was on hand for the startup which lasted months. The melting pool was plagued with problems found in other plants with electric furnaces. Lots of people came from other plants and all shook their heads with a good luck handshake as a fix.
Meanwhile, the electric bill from the local power company grew well beyond the ability to pay.
On the way to work one day I saw a huge plume in the sky that I could see for miles and it looked like it came from the plant. I called my boss and he said -yep- it is us-- we had a leak in the furnace that ran into the basement where the electric power came in.
Normally when a leak happens in these plants workers spray water on them and they self-heal to plug the leak. Water hoses are everywhere for this purpose. In this case, the workers were afraid to spray water into the area where the huge electric buss bars were. So the power was cut and the fire department was called.--All they could do was spray water.
The leak was stopped and the pool of glass solidified. EEK.----Electrodes in liquid glass work but in the solid glass, they are helpless. (solid glass is an insulator.)
Next to do was jackhammer a 30ft dia. by 6ft deep piece of glass down to the fire bricks. Nothing wrong was found and it was rebuilt to try again.---This did not work either. The power company cut them off and they went bankrupt. Our company got paid in court and another company bought what was left.
Last I heard was a gas-fired furnace was built and the plant is making bottles and money.
Yep--The new plant I was involved in building shut down shortly after startup. It was said because they could not get enough rail cars to feed it.
The plant is now owned by another company and all it does is transfer oil from rail cars to barges. Plenty of oil cars come and go to this big shiny stainless steel plant and only use piping and pumps ten years later.
BTW the plant I am talking about did make "consumable alcohol" as they all do. It is poisoned as a last stage in the process for a reason.
mopar 3 B
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Sounds like a suvier distribution problem of fermentable goods.Yep--The new plant I was involved in building shut down shortly after startup. It was said because they could not get enough rail cars to feed it.
The plant is now owned by another company and all it does is transfer oil from rail cars to barges. Plenty of oil cars come and go to this big shiny stainless steel plant and only use piping and pumps ten years later.
BTW the plant I am talking about did make "consumable alcohol" as they all do. It is poisoned as a last stage in the process for a reason.
The ethanol these plants make -causes our cars to run less efficiently. Kinda like what it does to us when we drink it.
IMO making alcohol for energy is like running a generator -driven by a motor- that is fed by the generator.
IMO making alcohol for energy is like running a generator -driven by a motor- that is fed by the generator.
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mopar 3 B
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Strange as it sounds it can be done but not practical.The ethanol these plants make -causes our cars to run less efficiently. Kinda like what it does to us when we drink it.
IMO making alcohol for energy is like running a generator -driven by a motor- that is fed by the generator.
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