Fender tag question

[chtampa]

What determines the order of codes stamped on the fender tag? I see people listing their codes here and wonder if they are random, the same order listed on build sheet or something else. I don't really understand the 68 and before so limit the explanation to a 69.

 

[kiwigtx]

They look to be listed alphabetically from the middle of line three - going left to right, and then up to the next line.

Does that answer your question?

example...

 

[super-bee_ski]

Wow, great GTX....
Yummy...
(tee-hee-hee)

 

[69Coronetrt]

Different plants coded differently.


Most plants coded in alphabetical/numerical order but not all. Lynch Road and Jefferson plants used different formats.

 

[chtampa]

My car didn't have a build sheet. Are build sheets alphabetical also.

 

[Islandkent]

I have asked this question before also. That being said what would determine which codes they picked. Some tags are loaded up. Some not so much?? Why would one tag have a radio code while another wouldn't yet both cars have radios?? I understand the bottom two lines but out of all the codes on a particular car why or what would determine what they would put on a tag. I won't beat around the bush I'm getting one of those reproduction plastic tags made up with the disclosure on the top of it being a reproduction. And I have looked at the code decoder on MyMopar for hours and have made a list of what came on my 70 Charger 500 with the appropriate codes. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. Just want to fill in the space more of less where the tag was.
From looking on the web and at many fender tags It seems that they would use the most elaborate codes on the tag. My car came with the wrong build sheet but it's very close to what my car has despite not being the proper sheet for my car.
Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Nate S]

Build sheets had boxes for options. If the box has characters it means an option was present, which characters told which version. Empty boxes meant no option.

 

[Demonic]

I have asked this question before also. That being said what would determine which codes they picked. Some tags are loaded up. Some not so much??

See post 4. We're talking about a dynamic process. The point was to get the car built. Some plants, like Lynch Road, had a certain way of doing things. They had a different method of determining the car got the right options. This likely involved the way the plant was built, who engineered the layout, etc.

As Kiwi said, the first two lines, give or take, shows the basic car. Similar to lines 1-2 of the build sheet. The sales codes are generally alphabetical, with the radiator size usually last.

 

[Geetex]

I have asked this question before also. That being said what would determine which codes they picked. Some tags are loaded up. Some not so much?? Why would one tag have a radio code while another wouldn't yet both cars have radios?? I understand the bottom two lines but out of all the codes on a particular car why or what would determine what they would put on a tag. I won't beat around the bush I'm getting one of those reproduction plastic tags made up with the disclosure on the top of it being a reproduction. And I have looked at the code decoder on MyMopar for hours and have made a list of what came on my 70 Charger 500 with the appropriate codes. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. Just want to fill in the space more of less where the tag was.
From looking on the web and at many fender tags It seems that they would use the most elaborate codes on the tag. My car came with the wrong build sheet but it's very close to what my car has despite not being the proper sheet for my car.
Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

Some things may not be listed individually on the fender tag because they may be part of a package that was ordered and the package number will be listed instead.

 

[chtampa]

Some things may not be listed individually on the fender tag because they may be part of a package that was ordered and the package number will be listed instead.

Like the Spring Package, or Trac Pack?

 

[33 IMP]

The formats, and what info got put on the fender tag, is entirely dependant on the assembly plant. To decode the tag, first thing you need to know is what plant built it.
My question is... Did all the plants use the same form for the broadcast sheet?

 

[Geetex]

Like the Spring Package, or Trac Pack?

Possibly, as others have pointed out it kind of depends on the factory. There's no reason to stamp all the individual codes for the components of a trac pack when they could just stamp A33. However if a certain plant felt it necessary to stamp everything individually it doesn't appear that there was any corporate mandate that said they couldn't. Do what it takes to build the cars correctly. I wasn't there this is just information that I've gathered over the years from reading and talking to people who have more knowledge on this stuff than I do, is it correct, I don't know with 100% certainty.

 

[69Coronetrt]

The formats, and what info got put on the fender tag, is entirely dependant on the assembly plant. To decode the tag, first thing you need to know is what plant built it.
My question is... Did all the plants use the same form for the broadcast sheet?

yes and yes.

 

[69Coronetrt]

I have asked this question before also. That being said what would determine which codes they picked. Some tags are loaded up. Some not so much?? Why would one tag have a radio code while another wouldn't yet both cars have radios?? I understand the bottom two lines but out of all the codes on a particular car why or what would determine what they would put on a tag. I won't beat around the bush I'm getting one of those reproduction plastic tags made up with the disclosure on the top of it being a reproduction. And I have looked at the code decoder on MyMopar for hours and have made a list of what came on my 70 Charger 500 with the appropriate codes. I'm not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. Just want to fill in the space more of less where the tag was.
From looking on the web and at many fender tags It seems that they would use the most elaborate codes on the tag. My car came with the wrong build sheet but it's very close to what my car has despite not being the proper sheet for my car.
Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

The general concept of the fender tag is a durable way to communicate basic car assembly (Body in white), paint and trim. Certain things are coded for assembly (A/C, console shifter). Certain options are coded if a hole needed to be punched in the body such as a tach, console, or radio. Certain packages requiring multiple modifications ( track pack = console shifter and a different radiator core support) are coded.

Generally, options that don’t meet that requirement, (Power steering, wheels, etc) aren’t coded.

How the concept was executed varied by year and plant. What was coded, when it was coded and where it was coded on the tag changes even in the same model year.

Every year and plant have certain details and nuances. What applied at one plant may or may not apply at any other plant any other year.

 

[70chall440]

Personally I think the codes or better said the amount of codes varied by the plants but also the operator putting them in/on.

 

[69Coronetrt]

Personally I think the codes or better said the amount of codes varied by the plants but also the operator putting them in/on.

There’s no indication, nor reason, it varied by operator.

 

[Islandkent]

Wow 69Coronetrt! That the best answer I've heard yet. And I have been paying attention since 2003.(when I bought my tag less / wrong build sheet Charger) What you said makes so much sense. My Charger has power window and the hacked up hole to go along with it. lol Looks like someone took a axe to the door. When I first removed the door panel I thought WTF. The original owner must of have had a hard time replacing a burnt out / over used drivers door motor right?? Then I took the passenger side door panel off. Same thing. Not as bad though as there is no 4 button master window switch there right? Hacked it up to make the motor and switches fit.
Anyway that rant over. But I see what you mean, the line worker would look at the tag on the car and determine whether to take the "axe" out of the tool box or not. Or to which rad support to install. (I'm glad you mentioned the rad) And like the recent junkerup video he did on that sunroof car.(Great videos by the way Chris) How they hacked away at the roof to make the drain hole work.
Once more Thanks 69Coronetrt A little bit clearer now!
And yes I understand that every plant would be different. I could even see different shifts/workers doing things slightly different. Adding a tag code here for this option or not adding a code for that option. Or the guys asking at the end of a shift "You got how many codes on that tag??" You know stuff like that. Things the guys would never give a second thought to. Yet here we are 50 years later discussing this. lol
Personally, I'm only concerned with the St Louis plant.

 

[chtampa]

Wow 69Coronetrt! That the best answer I've heard yet. And I have been paying attention since 2003.(when I bought my tag less / wrong build sheet Charger) What you said makes so much sense. My Charger has power window and the hacked up hole to go along with it. lol Looks like someone took a axe to the door. When I first removed the door panel I thought WTF. The original owner must of have had a hard time replacing a burnt out / over used drivers door motor right?? Then I took the passenger side door panel off. Same thing. Not as bad though as there is no 4 button master window switch there right? Hacked it up to make the motor and switches fit.
Anyway that rant over. But I see what you mean, the line worker would look at the tag on the car and determine whether to take the "axe" out of the tool box or not. Or to which rad support to install. (I'm glad you mentioned the rad) And like the recent junkerup video he did on that sunroof car.(Great videos by the way Chris) How they hacked away at the roof to make the drain hole work.
Once more Thanks 69Coronetrt A little bit clearer now!
And yes I understand that every plant would be different. I could even see different shifts/workers doing things slightly different. Adding a tag code here for this option or not adding a code for that option. Or the guys asking at the end of a shift "You got how many codes on that tag??" You know stuff like that. Things the guys would never give a second thought to. Yet here we are 50 years later discussing this. lol
Personally, I'm only concerned with the St Louis plant.

Is the hack for your power windows done for switch room? Do you happen to have a picture?

 

[69Coronetrt]

Personally, I'm only concerned with the St Louis plant.

Me too. What year?

What started out as a 69 StL data base has turned into a 7,000+ car data base for 69 B bodies from LA, StL, Lynch Road and Hamtramck.

I've looked at thousands of 69 tags over the last year. Every plant has similarities and every plant is different. What was coded, when it was coded and even where it was coded on the tag changes.

 

[Hey-O]

yes and yes.

I have seen boxes of broadcast sheets, they were corporate. They would be loaded on a printer and information on them was sent by a person that worked in the Scheduling department in that plant. Orders were sent to him for that plant. Life does not start in the body shop . The body shop only needed to know 4 door, from station wagon, 2 door and so on. Body tags were assigned as they came out of paint and as it entered the first step of production. The body shop and paint department each have bank of bodies. In paint they had them in every color they made. Starting times were staggered to keep the banks full. Any vehicle could be pulled at anytime or changed till the vin was stamped on the frame, then it was truly born, but the body could still be change and tag reinstalled. That left room for in system damage, say, if car body fall off a carrier or so on. I have had many cars or trucks built and could have it at a local dealer in three days if you asked me in time, the guy in scheduling was a friend of mine and the truck transport company was right next door and I knew the guy that scheduled that too. If you knew one, you pretty much knew them all, they knew each other from plant to plant. With the right pull, you could make magic, don't ask, don't tell.......