Impressive!!!

[Hey-O]

Still have all the negatives to contend with. Strip mining for rare minerals, high manufacturing pollution, under-developed country/labor exploitation, aging rickety electrical grid, recharging times, lack of recharging facilities for other than single family residences, heavy weight/accelerated tire wear, high degree of reliance on fossil fuels for additional electric power generation, volatile self-immolations with accompanying air and ground contamination, little industry capitalistic interest (with exception of Tesla) to financially support national charging infrastructure.

Get back to me when you have a handle on all of this.

You're right and I agree!! That's why we aren't all driving one now. Capitalism and innovation drives everything we do and that's how we got here, not due to mandates. That's putting the cart before the horse, we can see how that worked out. That's for another discussion, in a different section.

 

[Detective D]

The EPA

Here, highlighted the problem.
We could keep ICE around and have much more efficient and fun vehicles if that agency didn't get involved. We had vehicles getting 60MPG in the 1980's. The designs were deemed both not safe enough and would not pass emissions only a few short years later.
And to anyone that wants to go on and on about car safety: motorcycles are road legal in every state. Safety-shmafety, we don't need 4800lb sedans and 8000lb trucks. If we could make a 2500lb sedan(we easily could, we used to! Now we have aluminum and carbon fiber!) we wouldn't need 300HP to make it reasonable to daily drive either. Carroll Shelby raced cars with 85HP when he was a youth and they went well past 100MPH because they understood power to weight ratios back then. No one can convince me with modern materials and engineering history we couldn't make a safe(enough) vehicle along those lines in the modern day.

We let motorcycles on the road but a car has to allow the driver to survive a head on collision with an imovable object at 50mph. I call BS. If you put yourself into a situation where your car has to save your *** from a tree at 50mph then you done f'd up.

 

[DeltaV]

No compelling need.

 

[Hey-O]

Here, highlighted the problem.
We could keep ICE around and have much more efficient and fun vehicles if that agency didn't get involved. We had vehicles getting 60MPG in the 1980's. The designs were deemed both not safe enough and would not pass emissions only a few short years later.
And to anyone that wants to go on and on about car safety: motorcycles are road legal in every state. Safety-shmafety, we don't need 4800lb sedans and 8000lb trucks. If we could make a 2500lb sedan(we easily could, we used to! Now we have aluminum and carbon fiber!) we wouldn't need 300HP to make it reasonable to daily drive either. Carroll Shelby raced cars with 85HP when he was a youth and they went well past 100MPH because they understood power to weight ratios back then. No one can convince me with modern materials and engineering history we couldn't make a safe(enough) vehicle along those lines in the modern day.

We let motorcycles on the road but a car has to allow the driver to survive a head on collision with an imovable object at 50mph. I call BS. If you put yourself into a situation where your car has to save your *** from a tree at 50mph then you done f'd up.

Sounds great and I believe you're right.There's a lot of things I don't like and I can't change. I didn't create the save me from myself theory we live in today and I'd be happy just riding in the back of a truck again, if I wanted too. I spent my whole life changing things for the better. I'm not going to lose anymore hair over s**t I can't control, I'll just change gears and go with the flow. I've never needed medication to control my blood pressure, I've learned how to control it without it. I have my hands full just watching the market, ain't life just great!!

 

[RSMS]

Here, highlighted the problem.
We could keep ICE around and have much more efficient and fun vehicles if that agency didn't get involved. We had vehicles getting 60MPG in the 1980's. The designs were deemed both not safe enough and would not pass emissions only a few short years later.
And to anyone that wants to go on and on about car safety: motorcycles are road legal in every state. Safety-shmafety, we don't need 4800lb sedans and 8000lb trucks. If we could make a 2500lb sedan(we easily could, we used to! Now we have aluminum and carbon fiber!) we wouldn't need 300HP to make it reasonable to daily drive either. Carroll Shelby raced cars with 85HP when he was a youth and they went well past 100MPH because they understood power to weight ratios back then. No one can convince me with modern materials and engineering history we couldn't make a safe(enough) vehicle along those lines in the modern day.

We let motorcycles on the road but a car has to allow the driver to survive a head on collision with an imovable object at 50mph. I call BS. If you put yourself into a situation where your car has to save your *** from a tree at 50mph then you done f'd up.

Very true, and I'll add this, we easily could achieve excellent fuel mileage with very little technology while still building solid, safe and reliable cars, Mercedes was doing it almost 50 years ago, It's called Diesel Powered. Some of my favorite cars to use as a daily transport vehicle are extremely safe, built like a tank and will easily live for close to 1 million miles and are so simple with no fancy electronic engine management but still have enough creature comforts to drive all day long at speeds above any speed limit.....old Mercedes diesel 240D's 4cyls and old 300D's 5 cyls. Simplicity and functionality at its best. Even if you step up into a little more modern versions such as any of the 126, 123 or 140 body diesel you will still have exceptional fuel mileage, safety and reliability. My parents averaged over 40mpg with their 123 diesel, and I get mid 20's with my SD300 as a road cruiser when I use to travel alot, this is running 80 plus every chance I get in full luxury barge, S class Mercedes and this car has somewhere close to 400k miles.