Super Bee Specific Options.

[westie47]

Just wondering if the Rallye dash was standard on 69 Super Bees or if it optional. Also, what is different on the exterior/interior that is specific to 'Bees...grille, tail lights, side scoops etc. I know there were two types of hoods (3 if you count the A12 cars).

 

[PP1RT]

Rally dash was standard on the bees. Power bulge hood was standard but the Ramcharger hood was optional along with the side scoops starting in 69. No 68 had an optional hood or scoops. As far as the rest of the exterior it was just the bumble bees and stripe.

 

[toolmanmike]

This link might help you find a answer:http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/dealerships/1969DealershipDataBook-04.shtml

 

[PP1RT]

The interior had a different pattern on the seats and door panels.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

The interior had a different pattern on the seats and door panels.

Well, different than some Coronet models, but not specific ONLY to the Super Bee. Standard Super Bee interior was shared with the Coronet 440.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

As far as the rest of the exterior it was just the bumble bees and stripe.

With the exception of the following:

Grille and taillight finish panels were specific to Super Bees in '69. Both were largely blacked out with bright outline trim.

The Super Bee grille was shared with the 500 & R/T models. Only difference was the bolt-on grille badging.

The taillight finish panel was unique to the Super Bee, blacked out with bright DODGE lettering and bright edge trim. The Coronet 440 model shared that panel but it was painted totally different than the Super Bee in '69.

 

[westie47]

Great info, thanks! According to the Dealership Data book, the Rallye dash was only an option for the R/T. So, a 383 Bee would have come with the standard 120 rectangular dash?

Also, I know with the Ramcharger hoods the engine callouts were located on the scoops, where were they located on Power Bulge hood Super Bees? On the front fender, behind the front wheel well like the 70 models?

 

[Super Rob]

Great info, thanks! According to the Dealership Data book, the Rallye dash was only an option for the R/T.

That's true, but look again, it also clearly says STANDARD for Super Bee.
And standard means that every Super Bee had one, not "Standard Dash".

 

[YY1]

Chrome body side molding on 440 and 500 models was NOT on Super Bees or R/Ts.

 

[PP1RT]

Great info, thanks! According to the Dealership Data book, the Rallye dash was only an option for the R/T. So, a 383 Bee would have come with the standard 120 rectangular dash?

Also, I know with the Ramcharger hoods the engine callouts were located on the scoops, where were they located on Power Bulge hood Super Bees? On the front fender, behind the front wheel well like the 70 models?

The engine call outs were not on the power bulge hood in 68-9 but were on the 70. The callouts were on the fenders for 68-9 with bulge hood.

So if we are splitting hairs on the trim we can go further and point out the fenders and trunk lid were different because of the factory drilled holes for emblems. Yes the interior pattern was shared with the 440 model but different than the base model coronet. There is an early and later style airbox in the 69 ramcharger hood. The later ones had two rubber flaps (most commom) and the early had three flaps on the underside of the airbox. The black airbox is correct for 69 and the orange for 70.
There were two slightly different taillights used in 69 but not specific to a certain coronet model..just an early and later style.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

Also, I know with the Ramcharger hoods the engine callouts were located on the scoops, where were they located on Power Bulge hood Super Bees? On the front fender, behind the front wheel well like the 70 models?

Now with everything said here about how a Super Bee was supposed to be built by the factory, REMEMBER to NEVER say NEVER when talking about any Mopar.

For instance "westie47" has asked about the engine callout badging. Yes, the experts all say that IF you had the optional N96 Ramcharger hood on a '69 Super Bee, then the engine callouts would be on the hood scoops only, not the fenders. With the standard hood, the callouts should be on the fenders. Well, the "experts" are wrong.

Case in point, I own a '69 Super Bee (44 yrs, 1 mo., 20 days, 16.5 hrs, give or take a few minutes) with a factory N96 hood that has BOTH the fender callouts and the hood scoop callouts on it from the factory. To back up this factory anomaly, I also have a photo of the car when it was brand new just home from the dealership that clearly shows both sets of callouts on the car. Not enough to convince a restoration "expert"? Well then, the original purchasing owner of my car is a personal friend and still local to the area. He will sign and swear that this is the way the car came from the factory and it has NEVER been changed.

So, once again, NEVER say NEVER on any option or detail concerning the original factory build of these cars. A lot of strange things happened in the factory back then.

 

[oldbee]

And,, in 68 Bees the only engine call-out was on frt fender with a hemi. Nothing for a 383.

 

[PP1RT]

Now with everything said here about how a Super Bee was supposed to be built by the factory, REMEMBER to NEVER say NEVER when talking about any Mopar.

For instance "westie47" has asked about the engine callout badging. Yes, the experts all say that IF you had the optional N96 Ramcharger hood on a '69 Super Bee, then the engine callouts would be on the hood scoops only, not the fenders. With the standard hood, the callouts should be on the fenders. Well, the "experts" are wrong.

Case in point, I own a '69 Super Bee (44 yrs, 1 mo., 20 days, 16.5 hrs, give or take a few minutes) with a factory N96 hood that has BOTH the fender callouts and the hood scoop callouts on it from the factory. To back up this factory anomaly, I also have a photo of the car when it was brand new just home from the dealership that clearly shows both sets of callouts on the car. Not enough to convince a restoration "expert"? Well then, the original purchasing owner of my car is a personal friend and still local to the area. He will sign and swear that this is the way the car came from the factory and it has NEVER been changed.

So, once again, NEVER say NEVER on any option or detail concerning the original factory build of these cars. A lot of strange things happened in the factory back then.

Factory equipped on the build sheet and fender tag too or a dealer added thing. Cool either way!

 

[YY1]

...and the hood bulge call out on 70 said "Super Bee", not engine size.

Engine size call out was on fender.

IIRC 70 only "383 Magnum" instead of "383 Four Barrel"

 

[69Coronetrt]

Now with everything said here about how a Super Bee was supposed to be built by the factory, REMEMBER to NEVER say NEVER when talking about any Mopar.

For instance "westie47" has asked about the engine callout badging. Yes, the experts all say that IF you had the optional N96 Ramcharger hood on a '69 Super Bee, then the engine callouts would be on the hood scoops only, not the fenders. With the standard hood, the callouts should be on the fenders. Well, the "experts" are wrong.

Case in point, I own a '69 Super Bee (44 yrs, 1 mo., 20 days, 16.5 hrs, give or take a few minutes) with a factory N96 hood that has BOTH the fender callouts and the hood scoop callouts on it from the factory. To back up this factory anomaly, I also have a photo of the car when it was brand new just home from the dealership that clearly shows both sets of callouts on the car. Not enough to convince a restoration "expert"? Well then, the original purchasing owner of my car is a personal friend and still local to the area. He will sign and swear that this is the way the car came from the factory and it has NEVER been changed.

So, once again, NEVER say NEVER on any option or detail concerning the original factory build of these cars. A lot of strange things happened in the factory back then.

Mistakes do not negate recommend, standard or usual practice.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

Mistakes do not negate recommend, standard or usual practice.

Exactly, my point was that although a model is "supposed" to be built to a certain blueprint, that doesn't mean that variations of that blueprint don't occasionally happen at the factory.

NEVER say NEVER!

 

[westie47]

That's true, but look again, it also clearly says STANDARD for Super Bee.
And standard means that every Super Bee had one, not "Standard Dash".

My bad, I should've read closer! That's what I had initially thought, as well, every Super Bee I've ever seen came with the Rallye dash.

The reason I'm asking, is that most likely I will end up with either a Satellite or Coronet that I will make into a Road Runner or Super Bee. I want a car that I can drive and enjoy, and my budget doesn't allow for a real one unless it's a serious project. My preference obviously is a real Road Runner or Bee, but I'm not against building clone.

For example, I'm looking at cars like this:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-car...ne/1279098220?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

This would be at the top of my budget. It's $20k USD

 

[69Coronetrt]

Exactly, my point was that although a model is "supposed" to be built to a certain blueprint, that doesn't mean that variations of that blueprint don't occasionally happen at the factory.

NEVER say NEVER!

Anything mass produced by humans will have mistakes.
Mistakes don't negate SOP. They're an error in SOP.

 

[4mayhemi]

If the rallye cluster is a deal breaker, and you want an immediate driver, then you should just wait and save up for a real Bee. There's no return on blood spilt and $ spent for a cloned 69 383 Bee.

Or just take a base model 318, put as many scoops and stripes you want on it and be happy with the sweep gauges.
Had a buddy who really wanted a 3series M on a Neon budget. He wound up putting so many add-ons and doing stuff on that Neon it cost nearly the same as the M to begin with. Just an opinion.

 

[PP1RT]

Why even do a clone? Whats wrong with admitting to and driving a 69 coronet 440? The average person thinks it came with a 440 anyway! Be proud of what you have...dont pretend to be something different.