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The Distinguished Warfare Medal

Bruzilla

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My son was helping me get my roll around tool box organized over the weekend, and he found one of my medals all crunched up in the back of one of the drawers, still unopened in the original envelope. He asked me what it was, and why it was there, and it made me think of that new Distinguished Warfare Medal that just came out.

The medal my son found was a Navy Expeditionary Medal that I received in 1984 after participating in combat operations over Lebanon in 1982. All of the flight crew guys were awarded the medal in early 1983, but then our maintenance people got upset because they didn't receive the medal. The reason they didn't receive the medal was because they were never in the combat area and had never left Sicily, but they were ticked because guys they knew on the carrier-based squadrons got the medal and the fact that the carriers were also in the combat zone and not 1,000+ miles away didn't matter. So after lots of pressure, our CO decided to request awarding the medal to everyone in the squadron and some doofus at the Department of Naval Personnel approved it. So there we were on deployment to Rota, Spain when the medal was reawarded, and we're supposed to go to the uniform shop to get ribbons to wear to the ceremony. We get to to the shop, and who's the first person in line to get a ribbon? Our disbursing clerk, (DK1) Tina.

DK1 Tina was technically a member of our squadron, but the first thing she did when we went on every deployment was get her fat *** assigned to the base accounting office. While we were flying our asses off, and the maintenance folks were working 12-hr days six to seven days a week, DK1 Tina was working from nine to two, Monday through Friday, and there she was getting the same medal we had risked our lives for. I was pissed, as was everyone else on my crew. We put our ribbons back, and went back to the hangar and told the rest of the guys about seeing DK1 getting her ribbon. We all showed up at the award ceremony with an empty space on our ribbon bars where the NEM ribbon was supposed to be. The skipper was some kind of pissed, but not half as much as we were for him devaluing a medal we had risked our lives to earn. And so when I got the medal itself I never opened it and it's been moved from junk drawer to junk drawer ever since.

So now we have this new Distinguished Warfare Medal that's meant for distinguished service piloting drones or fighting cyber attacks, and I'm feeling the same way again. I agree with the idea that these folks who don't engage in actual physical combat deserve their own award, but it is ranked above awards for valor in combat such as the Bronze Star. It's also ranked above the Purple Heart. There are medals that are administrative in nature, and there are those meant to recognize valor and sacrifice in the face of great danger, and there's no danger from sitting in a van on the other side of the World from the combat zone flying a drone, or sitting in an office waiting for cyber attacks. If the DoD wants to recognize the efforts of these people fine, but they shouldn't be devaluing actual combat medals to do it.
 
i agree.to rank it above a bronze star or a purple heart is a farce as far as i am concerned.if someone can practically do there job from there own livingroom,how can they recieve a medal ranked higher then one for being wounded in combat.sure your job is important,but what risc to life and limb did you do to recieve such a medal.
my father has a locked box full of medals that i have only seen into once when i was a teen.all i know is that he recieved several for an incident on an aircraft carrier were several of his close freinds died.to this day he will not talk about it or display his medals in any way.(he is in his late 70's now)i do know one of those medals is a purple heart,and to think someone can get a more important medal for wiggling a joystick is a sad situation for sure.
 
It is a Commendation and not an Award such as an Commendation or Achievement. Big difference between the 2....
 
Bruzilla,

As to ALL persons in a command getting recognition for events or actions that SOME were more 'directly' involved with than others, I can understand your view on the 'devaluing' of the award. Bottom line though, is that the whole command got the award. DK1 was part of the command...albeit in a supporting role, making sure people got paid (although I remember many more pay screw-ups back before everything was automated!) To this day dispersing folks are still co-located with the base accounting office. They are more effective in their jobs, being co-located. As for the 9 to 2 hrs...you know the saying, "Choose your Rate...Choose your fate." As a Powerplants guy (jet engine mechanic to those following along) I saw the admin folks hightailing it from the hanger while I pulled my 12 hrs to cover flight ops. Yea, I got pissed when I worked weekends and they didn't, but I would never have traded my tool box for a typewriter/ computer!

Have satifaction knowing that likely she only vaguely remembers what that award represents, while you can tell folks EXACTLY what it was for!

As for the new Distinguished Warfare Medal?...couldn't agree with you more. A (service branch) Achievement or Commendation medal would be more appropriate. If the action is directly linked to saving soldiers, add the bronze 'V' to it.
 
Anyone with half a brain that volunteers for the military knows that they might find themselves in a combat situation someday. But a large portion of the people in the service will probably never see combat or be in any real danger. A lot of times it is just the luck of the draw. That doesn't mean that they are less committed to the cause or less brave or whatever. Every solder is assigned to a specific task weather it be front line combat, rear echelon support, or whatever their assignment might be. The only thing that counts to me that you do the best possible job that you can to defend our country. If you show real valor in combat and win medals, great, I salute your heroism. If you are the company clerk and you did good work during your hitch, thank you. That job needed to be done too. All of our solders and vets are heroes to me.
Thank you for your service to our country Bruzilla.
 
There is a similar post to this on the Political forum about Drone pilots/operators getting medals, it's also worth reading... some medals should be classified higher, than others, for different areas... I think all military should get some kind of recognition, I can respect their efforts, especially while under fire or in actually active duty combat, especially the ground forces, down in the fire fight, on the ground, not on a boat out at sea or up in the air... {My son is also in the Navy in danger every day, My nephew was Air Force}... But also, if not for the ground crews, flight deck crews, the planes wouldn't fly, if not for the refueling squadrons, the fighter planes couldn't stay airborne, if not for the Sea Bees nowhere to land them Navy planes in hostile areas, if not for the supply officer no-one would have uniforms, they 'all would be naked, if not for the procurement officers, the parts/uniforms wouldn't be ordered/purchased, if not for the poor private or airman cleaning the damn latrines, all the **** would be all over the place... So where do you draw the line ??, who's job is more important than another's ??... But I also think it's the military... It ain't freaken' T-Ball anymore either, everyone doesn't need a damn trophy, for just participation...
 
Its all to make 'em feel good, and have a good sense of self esteem. I know how you feel, some POUGE or REMF gets the same awards as the ones doing all the work, been there, and seen that!
 
I may not pilot a drone, but I play first person shooters all the time on the 'ol Xbox. Where's my medal?

Seriously, thanks for your service. I agree that there should be different medals for those who participate directly in combat and those who do not.
 
Bruzilla,

As to ALL persons in a command getting recognition for events or actions that SOME were more 'directly' involved with than others, I can understand your view on the 'devaluing' of the award. Bottom line though, is that the whole command got the award. DK1 was part of the command...albeit in a supporting role, making sure people got paid (although I remember many more pay screw-ups back before everything was automated!) To this day dispersing folks are still co-located with the base accounting office. They are more effective in their jobs, being co-located. As for the 9 to 2 hrs...you know the saying, "Choose your Rate...Choose your fate." As a Powerplants guy (jet engine mechanic to those following along) I saw the admin folks hightailing it from the hanger while I pulled my 12 hrs to cover flight ops. Yea, I got pissed when I worked weekends and they didn't, but I would never have traded my tool box for a typewriter/ computer!

Have satifaction knowing that likely she only vaguely remembers what that award represents, while you can tell folks EXACTLY what it was for!

As for the new Distinguished Warfare Medal?...couldn't agree with you more. A (service branch) Achievement or Commendation medal would be more appropriate. If the action is directly linked to saving soldiers, add the bronze 'V' to it.

Actually no, the whole command did not get the medal initially. This medal is not a unit commendation but an individual award and was specifically awarded to only those people who actually served in the area, which for our squadron was the flight crews. It was the same deal with VR-24 personnel (they flew the logistics support aircraft (C-1s and C-2s) out to the carriers). Their flight crews got the medal, the maintenance and admin people did not. It was only after the CO went and filed a request to get the medal awarded to everyone in the squadron that non-flight crew personnel got it.

And I know what you mean about the admin people. :) We had the same problem with ours.

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There is a similar post to this on the Political forum about Drone pilots/operators getting medals, it's also worth reading... some medals should be classified higher, than others, for different areas... I think all military should get some kind of recognition, I can respect their efforts, especially while under fire or in actually active duty combat, especially the ground forces, down in the fire fight, on the ground, not on a boat out at sea or up in the air... {My son is also in the Navy in danger every day, My nephew was Air Force}... But also, if not for the ground crews, flight deck crews, the planes wouldn't fly, if not for the refueling squadrons, the fighter planes couldn't stay airborne, if not for the Sea Bees nowhere to land them Navy planes in hostile areas, if not for the supply officer no-one would have uniforms, they 'all would be naked, if not for the procurement officers, the parts/uniforms wouldn't be ordered/purchased, if not for the poor private or airman cleaning the damn latrines, all the **** would be all over the place... So where do you draw the line ??, who's job is more important than another's ??... But I also think it's the military... It ain't freaken' T-Ball anymore either, everyone doesn't need a damn trophy, for just participation...

And that's exactly the reasoning our maintenance people used to justify getting themselves awarded the medal. I loved our maintenance folks. They did an awesome job, over many long hours, and often times in ramp temperatures that were approaching 130 degrees! They damn sure earned their pay, no doubt about it. But they didn't ever serve in the conflict area, which is what the medal represents, and that's what bothered us. Yes, they all played integral roles in enabling us to complete our missions, but they were never anywhere near the conflict so they shouldn't be getting the medal.

I did find it pretty telling though when the flight crew guys got the NEM, the maintenance folks claimed it was won by "all" of us. When the flight crew guys won the Arnold J. Isbell Trophy for ASW Excellence, the maintenance folks said it was won by "all" of us. When the squadron won the Golden Wrench Award, the maintenance guys said that was won just by them even though about half our three-hour preflight time for every mission was spent pulling cards, boxes, and troubleshooting maintenance issues. :)

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Its all to make 'em feel good, and have a good sense of self esteem. I know how you feel, some POUGE or REMF gets the same awards as the ones doing all the work, been there, and seen that!

We have seen a lot of that! It's like when the Army decided to do John Kennedy one better and let everyone wear berets because some people didn't like just the special forces guys getting to wear them. The concept of recognizing those who make a special and unique sacrifice and show above and beyond dedication just didn't outweigh making everyone feel special. We saw that in the Navy when they approved letting anyone wear a flight jacket because it wasn't fair that the flight crew guys got to be special.

But the issue these days is more about promotions, and these medals are worth points towards moving up. That's why I have no problem in making an award to recognize non-direct combat actions, but they shouldn't be rated as high as combat decorations just to give someone more points towards advancement.
 
So wait... I don't like that 4 star generals get to wear a bunch of medals and stars... it makes me feel left out. Ok, I haven't served, but I paid my taxes, so I'm part of a general's support team, because I'm helping to pay his salary. Can I get promoted to 4 star general so I don't feel excluded?
 
I think the medal is more than long overdue.

The arguments against are the same tired arguments made throughout history: When the French army first got artillery units (1660-1700s), the Infantry decried them as not being noble - that they were not worthy. They were safely behind the lines, and looked at with suspicion. Those same arguments were made in the early 20th century as the Tank replaced the Cavalry. I'm pretty sure the same words were made by swordsman as the mounted horseman took the saddle.

The point of weapons of war has always been, and always will be, to kill the enemy, and better yet without having to put your own forces in harms way. The evolution of rock, to knife, to sword, to riffle, to Gatling gun, etc, etc, etc to modern aircraft have continued to do the same thing. Give our forces a longer reach.

It is true that the medal is above the bronze star, but below the DFC. But the DFC doesn't require valor for award either, and neither do a handful of other medals that rank above the bronze star. The DWM specifically says "it is not for valor".

So here's to you drone and cyber warriors :beermug:; keep whacking those nasty insurgents, where ever they may live.

(disclaimer; 23 year vet. Have been shot at in combat and taken the enemies life when called on.)
 
It all boils down to some think that they did more or risked more than others. Here's the black and white of it. If you sign your name on the dotted line and enlist, you ARE serving your country. If some receive medals that did not initially and were found later to have deserved them, I say have at it. Because by signing on te dotted line, they agreed to just as much risk as everybody else. I think some people need to grow up and realize that without support from behind, they couldn't do ****. It takes a team effort. Those who think otherwise are deluded to the point of insanity.
 
So here's to you drone and cyber warriors :beermug:; keep whacking those nasty insurgents, where ever they may live.

(disclaimer; 23 year vet. Have been shot at in combat and taken the enemies life when called on.)

Thank you for your military service to our great country, it can't be said enough times, Thank you...

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The medal my son found was a Navy Expeditionary Medal that I received in 1984 after participating in combat operations over Lebanon in 1982.

Thank you too Bruzilla, I know I've said it before & probably will again, Thank you for your military service...

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As for the new Distinguished Warfare Medal?...couldn't agree with you more. A (service branch) Achievement or Commendation medal would be more appropriate. If the action is directly linked to saving soldiers, add the bronze 'V' to it.

Thank you too, for your honorary military service, to our fine country, Thank you so much, it is a pleasure to know so many of you, have done so much, for our fine military...
 
So when a drone operator gets a paper cut, are they then entitled to a purple heart and "smc...special monthly compensation" to their combat service connected disability????? Just asking, cause if thats the case, I would like a do over, maybe this time I wont have an anatomical loss of 1 eye and piss poor vision in the other. Give those operators a citation award and move on.
 
Sounds like some serious sour *** grapes whinning to me. Maybe if you didnt live in such a **** hole you wouldnt be so bitter?
 
99ss, to whom and what are you referring to?
 
Sounds like some serious sour *** grapes whinning to me. Maybe if you didnt live in such a **** hole you wouldnt be so bitter?

Wait, wait, let me get some popcorn and a beer! I want to sit in my recliner and watch this one! :pain10:
 
Sounds like some serious sour *** grapes whinning to me. Maybe if you didnt live in such a **** hole you wouldnt be so bitter?

Wow!
I hope I'm not taking this out of context and apologise if I am but......
Seems like "Sour *** Grapes and Whining" was directed towards those of us that have sacrificed and lost our life or limbs so statements like the above can be made.

And I for One take offense to that.
I don't think for a minute that 5.7 "lives in a shithole" and maybe you'd like to
elaborate on that statement you made? Or was it attack and retreat?

Anyway, I and I'm sure others would like to hear your defense of those statements.
5.7 lost an eye and I was wounded Twice, I'd like to know what you have sacrificed or done for this country.
 
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