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How Come We Never Hear That The North Pole Ice Is Melting Off Siberia?

HT413 said:
Yep, and bras cause breast cancer. Studies show that cultures whose women wear bras have much higher breast cancer levels.
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Free those ta-ta's!!!



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Richard Cranium said:
Free those ta-ta's!!!



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I salute those two for being captured for all time in glory.:)
It hurts to think of how many are hidden during their prime and just turn into back problems and flaps as their history.:rolleyes:
 
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No matter what social group or business your involved with. Your going to upset the talking heads, who think only their ideas and knowledge are correct. Something I have experienced directly at my former career. This is why they want to throw us in jail for speaking out.
 
Auggie56 said:
No matter what social group or business your involved with. Your going to upset the talking heads, who think only their ideas and knowledge are correct. Something I have experienced directly at my former career. This is why they want to throw us in jail for speaking out.
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Want to really piss them off. Challange their ideas a knowledge. Make them prove how that is supposed to work. I have gotten fired before just because they could not accept defeat. Might as well throw us in jail, we maybe safer there someday.
 
There is a lot of misunderstanding here about what the geologic record tells us. On Geologic timescales CO2 responds to inputs and outputs and feedbacks between weathering and climate. This stabilizes temperatures. The levels in the past stabilized depending on the brightness of the sun, amount of land submerged by the oceans, planetary albedo..... Geologic timescales are long (millions of years or more) compared to what is happening now. Understanding whether there will be an effect on temperature has to work from the present-day situation.

Ozone is not a good example to argue the case against dealing with our present situation. Ozone is an example of where something was discovered by scientists, and the politicians did something that reversed that. Ozone and dealing with smog in cities and fires on rivers are among the biggest successes of dealing responsibly with our world.

Evolution in scientific thought about cooling and warming is also not a good argument. Scientists argue with the best information they have and the understanding they have. This converges on reality as more and more is understood. The present best science points to clear warming and suggests with a high level of probability that there is a causal relationship between what we do and that change. Like it or not, that is what we get from them.

We make jokes about others getting Darwin awards, but we are in trouble and are headed down into uncharted territory.

The fight going on now is because there is a cost to dealing with the issue. The question we need to ask is whether those arguing one side or the other have a vested interest in getting us to do something that disadvantages us. The government is slippery on climate and other things too - yesterday's firing of Comey because he misled the public by falsely putting Hillary in a bad light is just crazy - and a complete flip.
 
Problem is that man can only control what he does. Mother nature will do what ever she darn well pleases and there is not a thing we can do about it. All the science in the world will not change it.
If the planet is to burn in a ball of flames or get hit by a meterior and go black for decades nothing we can do about it other than learn to live with it same as those before and those after us.
 
The same people said

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now they say

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I agree. I know there was a change and watched the transformation happen. Science involves following the evidence and the best information one can get. The evidence evolved and so did our understanding of it. I think what was surprising was first the realization that based on the geological record we should be well into an ice age, but we somehow dodged that bullet - possibly due to development of agriculture and well, well before our industrialization. But now there is another bullet coming at us. It appears to be of our own making, and we appear to be standing up and daring them. We have a real problem and it could get very bad.
 
Jcharger said:
But now there is another bullet coming at us. It appears to be of our own making, and we appear to be standing up and daring them. We have a real problem and it could get very bad.
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What is the "bullet" comming at us? -- What "appears" to be "of our own making" is trivial when comparing size and volume of our world. (doing little math puzzles gets messy when the numbers are huge.) --Perspective is easily lost and can boggle the mind when doing our own logical thinking.

I would like to hear about our "real problem". I would like to hear exactly what it is today that we the -poopers- do to upset a balance -that we have established as being so delicate- that every move we make will kill not only us but the place we live.---And our animal friends will die with us unless we hold our breath.:realcrazy:

Hundreds of millions of years have gone by with big changes happening along the way. So how BIG are -we- to take control now to set things right?:rolleyes:

So "We have a real problem and it could get very bad".--What is bad?--do we follow lemmings into the sea to fix it?---Oops- that might upset the "delicate balance" of the seas.---Maybe we should just dry up in a desert like a few million other critters have done before us. Let the earth be vermin free.--Let's move to the dunes and dry up after drinking kool aid.

Sorry--sometimes I get in a rant mood.--This topic gets me to complain about "flat earthers". They always seem to reproduce a new crop that can only see ten miles.--That is about how far one can see cause of the curve of the earth.:)
 
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No worries about a rant. I think we will just have to see. There are issues with water, food, soil that face us. These may be exacerbated by changes in climate (regional and possibly global). The Earth is big, but we do enough to shape it.
 
Jcharger said:
No worries about a rant. I think we will just have to see. There are issues with water, food, soil that face us. These may be exacerbated by changes in climate (regional and possibly global). The Earth is big, but we do enough to shape it.
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This is not the political form so I will be nice.
The USDA will kill us long before any form of climate change. Just how much toxic waste can be dumped it to the food chain? They have promoted it for 60 years now and drove just about everyone out of agriculture with any commonsense.
Cow farts and ag dust are a joke compaired to the chemical polution they promote.
 
wish they'd make up their minds are we all going to drown or will we soon be able to walk between countries ?
biggest problem the world faces is these idiots turning 1000's of acres of food producing land into "bio fuel growing areas" and starving the 3rd world who then expect us to solve their problem
 
Jcharger said:
No worries about a rant. I think we will just have to see. There are issues with water, food, soil that face us. These may be exacerbated by changes in climate (regional and possibly global). The Earth is big, but we do enough to shape it.
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I agree that we do "enough" to shape the world climate. (Example--every breath I exhale changes the math of a calculation). It has value--It changes the whole world.--The question is how much? In some cases a measurement can be taken -but without great care that sample becomes toast as to value because of the need for clean samples. ( The chance of contamination of samples is the biggest hurdle to overcome). This is because of the very fine line of pure work vs shody work in sample taking. Again--perspective of the size of our world is often lost in this conversation.
Parts per billion?--parts per trillion?--parts per quadrillion?
Just because tec. has advanced to the point that we can detect -something- does not change that's something's value as being harmful.
If I spill a salt shaker on the beach it Will change the salinity of the sea when the rains come. It is true and math/science says so.
 
Is it not true that this whole topic is all about spending money for one planet saving agenda vs another? Tossing huge effort where no effort is needed?
We must spend now or we are domed.:rolleyes:

Oh how I wish -practical/rational -was the only thinking that leads us.

Please let's wipe our *** and clean our personal nest. This is an individual way of thinking and living. Do we need another set of laws?
 
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