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A Case For Carrying A Firearm

Most people who are not or have never been in law enforcement who want to carry a concealed weapon are untested and unreliable in how they would handle a high stress situation involving the use of there weapon and that is from law enforcement I've talked to. Ive read here how some knocked NYC cops who were involved in shoot outs were many rounds were discharged and missed the criminal. Go back to the range was said. The height of total ignorance is a remark like that. A police officer pulls over a vehicle, stops a suspect on a street and a gun battle takes place. That officer is fighting for his life, nobody unless they have been there knows what its like. Its almost similar to street fighting. I trained for 5 years back in my late thirties early forties, my instructor told me many a person who excelled in class failed in the street. You train train train and hope you keep your head God forbid. A friend in Texas who flips houses and things like that has a CC permit. He told me he carries especially when going to vacant houses in less populated areas but all in all he'd rather not carry at all, just does so as its a safety issue for him. Good threads by Mr B
 
And this is an issue I've been preaching about for decades! I've yet to have a student who says they practice with their weapon actually practice in a useful way. Their idea of practice is to go to a gun range, observe all range safety requirements, don ear and eye protection, and shoot at a non-moving or non-maneuvering target using their strong hand. All of these are ideal conditions for target shooting, but usually worthless for a real-world defensive situation.

First, you won't be wearing ear protection, which means the moment someone fires you're going to lose your hearing and depending on your physiology you may also partly lose your balance. You're instinctively going to be using your strong hand to push, shove, punch, or otherwise engage with an attacker, not reaching for a gun. This I emphasize to my students by throwing a ball at one of them unexpectedly. Every one of them reaches with their strong hand to grab the ball, they don't reach for their weapon. Instinct drives behavior far more than training, so if you're not shooting with your weak hand, you're not proficient. And God help you if you're carrying a 1911A1 or similar pistol that doesn't have an ambidextrous safety.

Lastly, there's rarely an opportunity to get into a Weaver stance to shoot. More likely you're going to be on the ground, off balance, against a wall, arms pinned, or otherwise encumbered, so how much do you practice shooting with your gun at your waist and doing instinctive firing vice aimed fire? Probably not very often.

Most people are proficient shooters on a range, but are totally unprepared for defensive situations.

These are the most important issues for people who carry a gun. Range/target shooting and combat shooting are 2 totally different issues. I think that it is incumbent upon anyone who carries and thinks they might get into a shootout to get experience in combat shooting for their own survival.

The gun range I shoot at offers many different kinds of classes for shooters. The most valuable I took was a full day combat handgun class. It covered multiple aspects that one might encounter in a gunfight. The exercises included the following; drawing and shooting from a holster, firing from behind a barricade, firing from multiple positions- standing, kneeling, prone, on your side; firing from under/over obstacles, firing one handed, firing weak handed, reloading on the move, reloading one handed, reloading weak handed, clearing jams, entering and clearing rooms, firing from multiple positions and over/under/behind obstacles while the instructor is screaming where to shoot. These were just some skills that were practiced and it opened up a whole new world to what combat shooting is. We shot over 500 rounds in about 8 hours. I don't have a cc permit but I am legally allowed to cc on my business premises which I sometimes do especially after hours when I am there alone (multiple places for bad guys to hide out). After taking this course, I felt much more confident in my ability to react positively if ever required. I suggest this to anyone who conceal carries. Besides, it was a hell of a lot of fun !!!!!
 
If these places that won't let you carry would start letting people carry the problems would go away that's on of my points the bad guys don't care what the sign tells them! They will go in with there guns and do what they want if the good guys were aloud to carry there would be no problem s ,the good people that we want to have guns don't want to brake any rules so they disarm and to me this is completely stupid because you don't know what's going to happen or when /where!
If people would grow up and learn /train with guns and everyone was aloud to carry a gun I bet there would be a huge cut in crime !
 
I've been in LE 40yrs now---rarely do I now or ever did carry. My theory was always: know where you're going, have an escape route and simply, be ready for the loon that may approach you. Now that's NOT to say I'm against any, ANYONE, LEGALLY carrying a firearm as I completely agree in post #21. I've been around long enough to know the police can't protect you, a passer-by (generally) WON'T step-up so that leaves you to your own devices. If that means carrying---- Via con Dios---just be willing to accept the consequences when/if you use it.........
you might have a different opinion if you ever meet up f-t-f with someone you've arrested and they're still angry about it. I have...no fun.
 
Miller, The whole meaning of my last statement was that you won't always have time to wait for help.
Completely understand. I'm sure you also understand my side, there can be times, when action is needed, because there is no time. The bad guys...time is on their side.
btw...thank you for your service!

My gun, I don't carry, unless I think it might be needed. But, it is my 'house' gun.

I will toss in, facts that, there are some people out there, that have no business even looking at a gun, much less anything else about them.

Respect is a word, I don't take lightly. Usually needs to be earned. Guns DEMAND respect, with no uncertain terms. I'll leave it at that.
 
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See what you can learn on FBBO. The big guy requires suspenders to carry!
 
you might have a different opinion if you ever meet up f-t-f with someone you've arrested and they're still angry about it. I have...no fun.


I have! He's now a co-worker where I'm at. But I see your point. My best guess, and I think many would agree---if it hasn't happened in 40 years the chances are REAL slim of it ever happening. Any LEO can tell "war stories" of bad guys they had arrested & somehow ran into ----and the results of such a contact vary. My circle of friends & areas where I travel aren't inhabited, generally, by a criminal element.
IMO, for veteran LEOs the idea that there's criminals behind every tree or corner is a by-product of years on the job. How one processes those contacts is very individualized so I won't condone or condemn my fellow LEOs that feel that way. Which is why I posted what I did.
If you ran into a former suspect & had a problem, that's on you. As for me, living in a State with probably the most liberal gun laws in the Country (THANK GOD!) I don't see an issue.
 
Well that's a good point where you live is a good reason too. People think fl. Is nice most areas in fl are 80-90% criminal population the rest is retired people's and reg people I'm sure this will be argued but there's a ton of felons in fl. Or gang bangers there not all black ether we got some real winner white trash drunk *** holes too.then you have the road rage drivers that all seem to have guns or weapons. I'm sure you all don't get the same news fl. People do but it's every day occurrence for a road rage or criminal situation.
 
Womens rights? What's that. No mention in CotUS.

My bad.
I guess women don' t have rights. :poke:
 
It's a matter of personal preference whether you carry or not. If you do, make sure you're properly trained to handle the weapon and practice marksmanship on a regular basis. Marksmanship is a perishable skill; if you don't use it you lose it. A lot of people who get a cc permit only fire their weapon as part of the mandatory requirement for the permit, and hardly any afterward so they're not trained. Those people are dangerous. I have a carry permit but I don't carry. I have the permit if I ever decide that I need to have a weapon on me...then I'm legal.

What gets me are the fools who openly carry. If I'm going to commit a crime, who's the first person I'm going to take out? The idiot with the gun on his hip.
 
It's too bad things are the way they are...pretty sad. Even some of the laws don't fit. Shoot some dummy's kneecap, for breaking into your house, and he can sue you!

And, from the way I see it, the carry permit is a joke. Why? True story...some college aged kid, with a permit, and carrying, drives his car through a parking lot, at a strip mall. A family is coming out of a store, it had rained, the kid runs through a puddle, spraying the family with water.
Kid drives to the other end of the mall, and parks, the mother walks over to him, to complain. Kid pulls the gun!
Police were called, got there, confiscated the kid's gun, and carry permit. Somebody like that gets a carry permit? Seems there's a problem there.
 
It's too bad things are the way they are...pretty sad. Even some of the laws don't fit. Shoot some dummy's kneecap, for breaking into your house, and he can sue you!

And, from the way I see it, the carry permit is a joke. Why? True story...some college aged kid, with a permit, and carrying, drives his car through a parking lot, at a strip mall. A family is coming out of a store, it had rained, the kid runs through a puddle, spraying the family with water.
Kid drives to the other end of the mall, and parks, the mother walks over to him, to complain. Kid pulls the gun!
Police were called, got there, confiscated the kid's gun, and carry permit. Somebody like that gets a carry permit? Seems there's a problem there.
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I grew up w/ guns on the farm, got my first one at 6 yrs. old. I have a c.c. ,and am pretty good w/ anything I shoot. I disagree w/ the poster about not using it and losing it, as far as accuracy is concerned. Have I ever been in a panic situation ? Yes, but it wasn`t human, and I did miss ! My daughter is a cop, and very well trained - she trains others. She is cool headed, smart, and can out shoot me my son both . "really pisses him off !" lol
 
Well spoken, well said, and she sure didn't make an enemy of me with her comments . . . I agree 100%
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----------Some people should not have a gun!
I grew up w/ guns on the farm, got my first one at 6 yrs. old. I have a c.c. ,and am pretty good w/ anything I shoot. I disagree w/ the poster about not using it and losing it, as far as accuracy is concerned. Have I ever been in a panic situation ? Yes, but it wasn`t human, and I did miss ! My daughter is a cop, and very well trained - she trains others. She is cool headed, smart, and can out shoot me my son both . "really pisses him off !" lol
We may not see eye to eye but i agree with you and tell your daughter we all appreciate what she does
 
... getting back to the thread title...I prefer hard cases for my rifles and soft, padded cases for my pistols and revolvers.
 
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