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What would cause my 71 rr 383 with a 22in rad with added overflow tank always go low after a drive cycle? I replaced thermostat and water pump this year. The vehicle runs great i had the spark plugs replaced too and they looked good no white smoke or sweat exhaust. I was thinking head gasket but i had a pressure test and that held 16psi or just low coolant level after doing the water pump and stat.
 
For types of radiator caps. Partial pressure open system, partial pressure recovery, full pressure open and full pressure recovery. Do you have a catch can or a recovery can? Catch can catches overflow if there is any. Recovery can has 2 tubes, radiator should be full to top and recovery can should have fluid just above lowest internal tube.
 
What would cause my 71 rr 383 with a 22in rad with added overflow tank always go low after a drive cycle? I replaced thermostat and water pump this year. The vehicle runs great i had the spark plugs replaced too and they looked good no white smoke or sweat exhaust. I was thinking head gasket but i had a pressure test and that held 16psi or just low coolant level after doing the water pump and stat.
A leaking hose or hose clamps to the recovery tank maybe.? It happened to my dakota.
 
Do you have top/bottom flow radiator or cross flow? The cap needs to have 2 rubber seals on it. Not sure about yours, but 1967 radiators were designed to be filled an inch below opening and expand in the radiator not to a can. Then not topped off but left were they level themselves out to. The can you show is a reservoir can. Fill radiator completely, then fill can a few inches a over shortest tube inside. Let it idle until it gets completely warmed up then let it cool off. Remove can lid and check level. If below short tube, add coolant in the can. Repeat. Do Not open radiator during any of this. Repeat process until you have coolant a couple inches above short tube when engine is cool. But you must have a recovery style radiator cap. Not an open system.
 
It’s a top/bottom champion aluminum radiator. Not sure what type of cap it has It’s the one that it came with it. I also opened rad cap and notice the coolant level was about 2 inches below the bottom filler neck of the rad so I filled it up to just below the bottom of the filler neck. Also the can has only long tube inside if the can overfills.
 
It’s a top/bottom champion aluminum radiator. Not sure what type of cap it has It’s the one that it came with it. I also opened rad cap and notice the coolant level was about 2 inches below the bottom filler neck of the rad so I filled it up to just below the bottom of the filler neck. Also the can has only long tube inside if the can overfills.
The radiator is designed to be filled to just under 1 inch opening. The upper tank is it's own expansion tank and does not over flow unless over filled. If it is not running hot, leave it alone. Or read a lot on how the radiators and caps were designed.
 
Now that you have added the recovery tank the radiator is supposed to be filled completely - and you have a small amount in the tank. As stated you do need a recovery style radiator cap.
Have you connected the overflow container correctly? A lot get this wrong. The tube from the radiator cap area goes to the short tube in the bottom of the recovery tank? The other long tube to the top of the recovery tank is an overflow in case the radiator cap pressure rating is exceeded.
Basic principal:
The engine runs - water expands in to the tank - you turn the engine off and the water is sucked back in to the radiator through the tube and the secondary vacuum valve in the radiator cap.
Loss of water in that little tank indicates you are using water.
 
Now that you have added the recovery tank the radiator is supposed to be filled completely - and you have a small amount in the tank. As stated you do need a recovery style radiator cap.
Have you connected the overflow container correctly? A lot get this wrong. The tube from the radiator cap area goes to the short tube in the bottom of the recovery tank? The other long tube to the top of the recovery tank is an overflow in case the radiator cap pressure rating is exceeded.
Basic principal:
The engine runs - water expands in to the tank - you turn the engine off and the water is sucked back in to the radiator through the tube and the secondary vacuum valve in the radiator cap.
Loss of water in that little tank indicates you are using water.
The tank runs dry when the engine is cooling down. I topped off radiator to the bottom part of the radiator filler neck and it fills overflow tank when running. Engines runs at 170f when warmed up.
 
Champion's are designed to use a recovery bottle, it needs to be able to flow into the bottle when hot, and draw coolant back into the system upon cool-down. Sounds like it's just a little low on coolant, that's where I'd start anyway. Fill the bottle halfway up when it's dry and see what happens. Drive it and let it do it's thing. You may need to top it off until it finds the proper cold level; I've always added to the bottle until it stays about halfway full after sitting. Mine will fill the bottle about 3/4 of the way or so when at full operating temp and right after shutdown, then after cooling off it's half-full or maybe a little less. You just don't want it sucking the bottle dry, all that does it let it keep pulling air into the system. Now, if you absolutely can't get it to leave some in the bottle after multiple top-offs, and the radiator appears full, time to look very closely for leaks, or any signs like white residue on the pulleys, balancer, K-frame etc. Sometimes they can leak while driving, but don't leave any drips on the garage floor. Check the oil carefully as well.
Oh, and another possibility---those style bottles can sometimes be too small to control the amount of coolant that flows back and forth. That was my experience with the fancy canister style anyways..I now use a bigger plastic one for a toyota tacoma and it works great, pretty much like any newer vehicle.
 
The only water that should displace in to the overflow bottle from the radiator is the amount of water required to allow the water in the radiator to expand when heated.
I am guessing but say no more than 1/2 of a litre.
If a shitload is going over to the tank the water is being pressurised so you have a mechanical problem like a blown head gasket or a cracked head.
Like beanhead said the overflow tank should be 1/3 full when the engine is cold.
 
Champion's are designed to use a recovery bottle, it needs to be able to flow into the bottle when hot, and draw coolant back into the system upon cool-down. Sounds like it's just a little low on coolant, that's where I'd start anyway. Fill the bottle halfway up when it's dry and see what happens. Drive it and let it do it's thing. You may need to top it off until it finds the proper cold level; I've always added to the bottle until it stays about halfway full after sitting. Mine will fill the bottle about 3/4 of the way or so when at full operating temp and right after shutdown, then after cooling off it's half-full or maybe a little less. You just don't want it sucking the bottle dry, all that does it let it keep pulling air into the system. Now, if you absolutely can't get it to leave some in the bottle after multiple top-offs, and the radiator appears full, time to look very closely for leaks, or any signs like white residue on the pulleys, balancer, K-frame etc. Sometimes they can leak while driving, but don't leave any drips on the garage floor. Check the oil carefully as well.
Oh, and another possibility---those style bottles can sometimes be too small to control the amount of coolant that flows back and forth. That was my experience with the fancy canister style anyways..I now use a bigger plastic one for a toyota tacoma and it works great, pretty much like any newer vehicle.
Where do you mount the Toyota overflow tank? I have a small stainless mounted to the radiator, barely fits, and it is obviously too small a capacity. I just don't really see any real-estate under the hood of my '67 Coronet.
 
Where do you mount the Toyota overflow tank? I have a small stainless mounted to the radiator, barely fits, and it is obviously too small a capacity. I just don't really see any real-estate under the hood of my '67 Coronet.
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Snuggles in between the battery tray and core support. It just kinda wedges in there, never needed any permanent attaching means. Not for the factory resto builds but works excellent on my driven street car..
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Thanks, I'll check the space n see if it will work there for me. I want to be able to daily drive with a closed cooling system.
 
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