Charging electric cars

[33 IMP]

On my way to bowling, burger, and a beer last night, i saw a funky looking import in the other lane. Caught up and looked it over.
It was a hydrogen fuel cell toyota. The driver was alone, wearing a hijab (sp?) and an elaborate covid mask.


Yep, california.

 

[Photon440]

California is the only state selling that Toyota.

 

[Cojohnso1]

California is the only state selling that Toyota.

I've never seen. But stocks in that technology are moving.

 

[mopar 3 B]

Until you get your can blown off the road by a little ol lady's grocery getter? Won't that be a proud moment for ya? Lol. Maybe that tree will give you some comfort?

There are going to be nay sayers. Henry Ford went thru his fair share. But when autos were easily out performing horses? The change came quick. Losers put their junk back on the trailer. It's why I love drag racing. No time for excuses. No "We'll get them next lap." It's perform or go home. And electric cars are now out performing. And this is in it's infancy. 5-10 years from now? The nay sayers will look even more ridiculous.

This just my opinion. But that position is growing fast.

Think some one was listening to the same crap over 100 years ago as the first cars were not gas. Oh hell dear we are are 20 miles out of the city were is the extension cord. Yes the day will come we just are not there yet. I am still waiting on that nuclear car we were all reading about in the weekly reader in grade school back in the 60's. Things come things pass so we will see.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I think electric cars are decent enough short-haul commuter cars, but if you want to take a long trip or need to tow something behind, battery powers vehicles are not the way to go.

 

[alfaitalia]

Maybe not yet...but soon. In my small country I already have customers that tow 3000 to 3500lb caravans behind Tesla Model X's and Jaguar I-Paces without and real problems. Only about 180 to 200 miles range whilst towing ....but after 200 miles on our busy roads you want to stop for a coffee any way! It's not for me but they prove it's possible and the tech will only get better. Seen a few electric multi drop EV vans around delivering parcels recently too. If they can make it work (on the road and stop start all day) I guess most could....if they wanted too.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Maybe not yet...but soon. In my small country I already have customers that tow 3000 to 3500lb caravans behind Tesla Model X's and Jaguar I-Paces without and real problems. Only about 180 to 200 miles range whilst towing ....but after 200 miles on our busy roads you want to stop for a coffee any way!

Towing a small 3,000 pound camper 150 miles is nothing. How about towing something with real weight like a fifth wheel, large boat or a construction & car trailer? I can tow a car trailer behind my F150 which will get me easily 350-375 miles with only a 15 minute fill up & pee break.

Only slow Europeans have the time to wait around for 45 minutes for an electric fill up, sip tea (with their pinky in the air) and eat crumpets. Us real Americans aint got time for that nonsense.

 

[Photon440]

MmmMMMmmm... tea and crumpets!

 

[33 IMP]

California is the only state selling that Toyota.

I dont think that car is even sold in california. I believe it is a lease only.
But i believe i remember that a certain amount of fuel is free each year.
Then again, what good is free fuel, if you dont dare get more than fifty miles from your only gas station?

 

[Cojohnso1]

Towing a small 3,000 pound camper 150 miles is nothing. How about towing something with real weight like a fifth wheel, large boat or a construction & car trailer? I can tow a car trailer behind my F150 which will get me easily 350-375 miles with only a 15 minute fill up & pee break.

Only slow Europeans have the time to wait around for 45 minutes for an electric fill up, sip tea (with their pinky in the air) and eat crumpets. Us real Americans aint got time for that nonsense.

This guy has 500 mi range at 80,000 lbs. Once they get range to 750+? (Average 11 hour haul range) Diesel will not be able to compete. This guy can haul at under half the price.

Money talks. And frankly? The deniers are running out of BS. Name calling and silly unequivocal comparisons won't get you the contract.

 

[Richard Cranium]

This guy has 500 mi range at 80,000 lbs. Once they get range to 750+? (Average 11 hour haul range) Diesel will not be able to compete. This guy can haul at under half the price.



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What's the cost of that rig?

What's the hold up for 750 mile range for an average American car?

 

[70chall440]

And what's the price of that gem? How long does it take to recharge after that 500 miles.

I am not sure why you seem to think that any questioning of this technology is "denying". I don't think anyone is denying that the technology is there and improving but as you state yourself it isn't there yet.

The "problem" with EV advocates is that they want to ram the propertied benefits and advantages of electric vehicles down everyone's throat and demand that everyone embrace it and then resort to proclaiming that anyone who doesn't is an "denier" as some sort of shaming attempt. What really makes me wonder is why an EV champion would even be on a classic car site, I am sure there are plenty of EV forums where everyone will speak "truth to power" about how EV is the way which it might be (at some point) but it isn't today.

 

[Sam69sat]

What's the cost of that rig?

What's the hold up for 750 mile range for an average American car?

He can't really answer because he's either a bot or a shill for the E.V. industry. He's a stooge that just spews out numbers and bs pretending to be facts.

 

[70chall440]

Well you know something is "off" when someone comes onto a classic car site talking EV crap. Might as well go onto a Porsche site and start claiming how a Corvette or a Demon is a better car... I suspect that wouldn't last long.

 

[67charger383]

The Hydrogen Toyota's are pretty neat. More interesting than an EV.

But right now they are the modern equivalent of the Chrysler turbine cars, and will never take off due to pricing, infrastructure, and complexity.

 

[Cojohnso1]

What's the cost of that rig?

What's the hold up for 750 mile range for an average American car?

They are marketing at $150k base. Very simular to Freightliner. And the hold up? What do you think? Battery technology. It will get there. Sooner than you wish. Some of the technology will leave lithium obsolete.

It does appear the hydrogen fuel cell hybrid is the immediate front runner. Never the less it exciting times with technology. Just have to ignore the buzz killers. If Henry Ford was alive today? He would be in heaven with the possibilities. I honestly don't believe he would be advocating for 50-100 year old technology. Just look at the Gen III Hemi? What really has changed? Better valve angle. Quench bads. And much better tooling when machined. Computer controlled EFI does make for a more stable firing platform. But doesn't provide any more ultimate performance than carbs. The Hellcat platform gets its impressive power by factory supercharger. Give a Gen II 15 lbs of boost and see what happens? Better tie that classic Chargers frame for some serious "Twist and Shout."

The point? Internal combustion has had its run. All technology is doing is fine tuning. Rotory was interesting in its time. But has inherent flaws when attempting bigger volume platform. Heat is its enemy on the compression side. The Rotary valve design shown below. This should eliminate hydraulic assistance for valve lift. Thus eliminate RPM limits and valve float. But turns out the design also had inherent issues. Including very difficult variable timing issues as stress levels change. And reliability due to lack of longevity.

The point? I'm just not seeing any significant technology jumps. But electric and electric hybrid? No one can possibly argue its potential? Just have to ignore the screaming Karen's?

 

[toolmanmike]

Keep the politics and bull **** posts out of this thread and it can stay up.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Keep the politics and bull **** posts out of this thread and it can stay up.

Yeah. It's boarding. We know. Sometimes it's hard. Policies do dictate technology direction. I'm attempting to display performance and efficiency advantages. Some very significant. While others disagree. I wish we could all go back to the "Happy Days" of transportation boom and revolution. But the future technology is knocking at the door. I'm not going to get into a pissing match on which side has received more public $$ and political cover. It's not even close. But the technology and performance advances? It's undeniable. And It's going to win. So we lead? Or get ran over. By a technology that is bigger, faster, more cost effective and far more efficient.

 

[steve from staten island]

One hundred years from now, I doubt vehicles will run on what we pump out of the ground. Using any other mindset would be like when people said internal combustion engines would nerve replace the horse drawn wagon.
Its called progress and nobody will stop it, to do so would keep the world in its present state.
Recall the first cordless drills, doesn't seem so long ago. I thought those first cordless drills were a joke, a toy.
Look at the state of cordless tools today.
Either way we all will be dust, so it doesn't matter.
Enjoy your old cars now and dont worry about what is out of your control

 

[Photon440]

I dont think that car is even sold in california. I believe it is a lease only.
But i believe i remember that a certain amount of fuel is free each year.
Then again, what good is free fuel, if you dont dare get more than fifty miles from your only gas station?

Not living there, I haven't checked to see. Toyota claims sales, noting that leasing is an option. With a 402 mile range, I'd dare to venture farther than you would.