Ron_M
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Some of those bulletins are available free as PDF downloadable files within the moparts tech archives...
Anyone have the old DC 440 "recipes"?
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340runner
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Well, haha yeah that's a bit much. I was personally thinking about the .509 cam myself, as i can keep non adjustable rockers
If i had to go adjustable I would think about the .590
I said none were I should of said most. Sure some were. But being a DC dealer we had a lot of insight and contacts as to what was going on. DC was a lot more hands on in the beginning and by the mid 90's they were on the way down the drain.
340runner
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Well by now there's NOTHING made by mopar that im going to use unless its either used or NOS haha
maxwedgechar
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@DeltaV I thought I was the only one that still has that stuff. I don't know where it is but it might be with my Hustle Stuff catalog!
Lefty71
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I have them....they are in all the old sales catalogs....
You already know the story, bigger cams, higher stalls, lighten the car..... A lot of the rest is just fluff.....the chrome dress up kit will reduce wind resistance lol.
You already know the story, bigger cams, higher stalls, lighten the car..... A lot of the rest is just fluff.....the chrome dress up kit will reduce wind resistance lol.
Geoff 2
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The problem I see with the DC tips:
- no mention is made of gearing, car weight etc
- only factory heads considered. With a large number of aftermarket alum heads available now, it changes everything
- only FT cams are listed, no rollers.
- no mention is made of gearing, car weight etc
- only factory heads considered. With a large number of aftermarket alum heads available now, it changes everything
- only FT cams are listed, no rollers.
340runner
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There is gearing listed in the tips, I didnt get the 440 chassis package but I know for the 11 sec. bracket on the 383 cars it lists maximum weight and 4.56s with like 29.5 inch slicks.
This is true with factory heads, but they make comparisons like for instance the stage 5 head will probably be comparable to a 440source stealth ported or the eddy rpm ported, honestly probably more flow on the modern alum. heads size. I also may run a factory head that I ported myself via template if it's the right price. Of course I'm not paying anyone to do it for me, but I would be willing to kill 20 hours of my time or so with a die grinder and a lot of drinks
I know they don't mention roller cams, and I could care less right now about a roller cam. For price range I am talking, I am in the hft and maybe just maybe if I save elsewhere a solid flat tappet cam with the old style isky rocker arms price bracket. Im not in the roller rocker solid roller cam fully cnc ported indy headed 512 inch stroker kit price range. If I was I wouldn't even be worried about this DC manual, id be looking at other people's successful builds that are dyno proven and outlined as such. The reason im looking at the purple shaft cams is that they are proven, and also I know a lot of people ran them so I may be able to get a decent one used. Is it going to be a max output everything to the 9s engine? No. Is it going to hopefully be a nice package that has worked before and will work now? That we will see. All depends on how much I can save
Rant over, sorry for the long winded explanations
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Runcharger
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The recipes were for bracket cars. Roller cams were true racecar fare back then. And the bulletins were specific as to weight, tire size, gearing and convertors too. I guess we'll see how todays internet opinions are still in any way relevent 50 years from now. For an 11 or 12 second car the information can still be used today.
340runner
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Yeah, and a NA 11 second car is about where I want to be bracket-wise, I dont want to break past 11.49 on motor and then have to detune with motor. Not saying I dont want to have a faster than 11.49 car overall, just dont want it that way at the track
1st world problems 
Step one; get a time slip.
Step one; get a time slip.
340runner
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Well i need a engine up to the job haha. My current 340 has one foot in the grave, starting to burn oil and is leaking out the front timing cover a fair bit. It ran at 96.6 in the 1/4 though With how its leaking I dont think all that many people would be too popular with me spraying oil on the line and down the track. So this is speculative on the whole et thing, but i do know my weight at least with the small block, with me, a full size spare (255/60/15 on a 15x7 steelie), 3/4 tank of gas its 3880lbs. Slicks, skinnies and less gas and removed spare im at least at 3800lbs, but a big block will add a lot of weight back in. 4.56s right now, so gearing isn't issues1st world problems
Step one; get a time slip.
See my situation? I dont like doing things twice just as much as the next guy, but I dont have the money to do it "perfect" the first time. And I'll probably NEVER have the money to do so in the near future, unless I win the lottery. If your definition of "perfection" is the same as mine as in a 572 hemi fully aluminum. So what I can afford will have to suffice
Its really a funny thing how this all goes, huh?
Surprised yall haven't got old of me yet, probably have and just haven't said it out loud yet
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Jeremiah
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You would want 11-11.5:1 minimum. I'm not sure how that'd work with the TRW pistons. I haven't used a set of those in probably 20 years maybe 25. I don't think PTV would be an issue although it might be pretty close on the exhaust depending on where you install the cam. You can answer most of your questions I'd have to mock everything up and measure.
340runner
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Well I know that's the end all be all best answer to just mock everything up. But, i dont want to waste time and money at the same time. Especially not waste your time having to ship it and all
If you want to ship it on your dime, which im 100% sure you dont, ill happily mock it up when I get the rest but most people think 11.0-11.5 is still not enough, which is where im thinking it'll be. Im thinking a 590 or 509 will suit me much better
Jeremiah
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The sign by the door of my shop reads:
" it's not our job to make hotrodding affordable"
We run a for-profit entity over here not sure how things work in Illinois LOL
I wish you luck with your project.
340runner
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LOL One hell of a way to respond to what I asked.
Didn't really ask and beg for it, as consensus reads that its not a cam suited for my overall project anyways, just if it was free-ish I'll take it. Usually people sell things in the WTS section of this site.
Kind of a snappy response to a question that I already answered in my previous post, but that's just my honest opinion.
Not sure how people read things in Oregon though. As you can tell, im an ***, eh?
Correction. In a fit of (uncharacteristic) rage I threw out all of my motorcycle stuff for Harleys, Triumphs, Nortons, and BSA's. I'm still PO.
That is one I do not have, but I'm not looking for one.
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Here you go (I'm serious) @340runner
Thread 'For sale: 440 based Max Wedge $8,500.' FOR SALE - For sale: 440 based Max Wedge $8,500.
Thread 'For sale: 440 based Max Wedge $8,500.' FOR SALE - For sale: 440 based Max Wedge $8,500.
340runner
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If only someone would loan me $7,900 haha (obviously joking).
Yeah its great but out of my price range right now. I know i would be into a 440 more for the same performance, but at least with a 440 the money is spread out and not lump sum (makes it hurt less). Wish I had the money lol
Daves69
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