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I'm asking for your input on this. American car/truck buyers vs. foreign vehicle buyers.

I drive American cars/trucks for my own use. But for my wife (and the vehicle that gets the most use), we have bought nothing but Toyota/Lexus V6 SUVs for the last 21 years. They are just damn near bullet proof unless you really abuse them. Just change the oil and filter, put new tires on them and drive them trouble free for many, many miles. Even the brakes on our 2 Highlanders lasted well over 100,000 miles. High quality interiors, look nearly new after 9-10 years. Paint doesn’t break down. Few minor issues started appearing with our 2012 at about 120k miles, power rear hatch getting a little balky, phantom steering calibration light came and went if I applied the brakes hard on a downhill while turning sharply. But nothing even remotely that was a in danger of sidelining the vehicle
 
The Mrs has 430km ( 267) on the 4runner. We have some pretty tough winters. Change the oil bang on 5000km(3200) and it still comes out fairly clean and might use 2 drops. Amazing. The 4.0L V6 is legendary
 
Not to mention, out of my last 5 Mopars, only 1 was made in USA.
 
Different philosophy in different parts of the world.
Also, Our helpful gov't made sure to prevent Japan and Europe from selling their most interesting vehicles in America.

BMW looks boring. It mostly is. There is a saying that driving a slow car fast can be much more fun then driving a fast car slow. BMW's design mantra is that the power of the car can NEVER exceed the capability of the rest of the car. Meaning, if the brakes, chassis, suspension can only perform at optimal up to 250HP, they will not put more then 250HP into the car. Hence all the I6 cars from the 90's and early 2000's. Some people super enjoy a car that feels like you can't crash it even when you are careless. but that's the thing, you sort of can;t, because they designed it inherently to be controlled even when the driver is trying not to. I DESPISE this design choice. Ford always did this too, they would rather detune a 5.0 to not bust up their old T5 manual as an example then boost the HP. Likewise, no 5.8 in a Mustang.

All of that stuff is a European design choice. Hence, I have never found anything besides exotics or extreme outliers from Europe interesting. Some people love it. So you see BMW and Audi. Stereotype: they are bad drivers and enjoy a car that lets them get away with it. Sometimes their "skill" shows.....

Japan has a different design style. Their development was controlled in a few different ways. First, the gov't over there has pretty strict emissions, BUT, not in the style the EPA does here. It had more to do with maint. then it did with meeting a particular emissions goal. So you can find used JDM engines all over with low miles because the car would not meet factory specification anymore with the original engine.
Second, japan is freegin small. And crowded. And so they focus on handling, they focus on compact power. Tradition is also a part, WW2 tradition was fuel efficient small engines made to a high standard of performance for thier size. Turbo 4's and 6's everywhere.
Lastly, especially in the 90's, the gov't set a hard limit of 275HP on the japanese manufacturers for domestic sales. This of course was adhered to... kind of :)
Japan did recognize in order to compete in western markets with their smaller cars they were going to need an edge in reliability and economy. By the late 80's they had pulled that off.
In turn, the US gov't made policy to keep the best cars out of our country, and make the rest of them cost more then the local stuff. 1990's JDM cars were some amazing cars given the design restrictions and how the end results came out. Some examples of interesting cars that did not make it here:
-The "red top" Vtech Honda Prelude that only went to Japan, Europe, and some to Australia. This engine also found its way into Accords. None for the USA.
-Celica GT-Four from the 90s. Picture the boring 90's Toyota Celica, but now with 4 wheel drive and steering and a 250HP turbo engine. Legit F'ing fast.
-Picture a Toyota Camry sedan, but with a twin turbo engine out of a turbo Supra. The Toyota Arista. They made a Crown also with the non-turbo version.
-Skylines are an easy point. We got Nissan Z's but not the Skyline for whatever reason.
-You could get a 240HP turbo Nissan 240SX in Japan called the Silvia. Not here.
-Honda made a few other "Type R" cars not available in the US
-edit: forgot one, the Mistsubishi Lancer Evo's. Turbo(275HP) awd cars that weighed like 2600lbs with a full tank of gas.

As a gear head, I can respect basically any vehicle based on it's characteristic and design choice, along with it's potential. I don;t like Euro cars, they cost like they should already be top of their class and then you have to spend big $$ to actually make them that way on top. I hate they limit their engines based on their chassis choices. I love JDM cars. The potency achieved out of their small engines under a watchful eye of their own gov;t amazes me. They understood the classic sports car theme of "light weight" that America understood in the 1930's racing world but seemed to forget about in the design world outside of a few models, and the JDM cars from the 90's were very well built, at least the ones i would consider excellent.
Don't get me wrong, I love my V8 and that's why it's essentiall all I have ever owned outside of two GM W body cars and a rebadged Mazda(Mercury) 323 wagon with a Miata engine. But I like everything with an engine, tractors, whatever, so I look at this mostly objectively.

So, to the OP, given a limited budget, as proven in my life, I buy American cars with snarly V8's and trucks with the same. If i won the mega lottery, i would build a private road course race track and have a building stuffed full of cars from all around the world, but mostly American and Japanese cars, each for their own merits.

Sorry, lots of reading but this is a big topic I think.
 
I'm still following the advice my mentor gave me over 50 years ago, regarding owning a GTX. She told me to drive a cheap dependable car as my daily, spend my money on the weekend toy. That led me to slant six Valiants, and later, Toyota products. They have no soul, but I don't care about that. For the overall experience, nothing has ever topped a muscle B body with me, but my Chrysler 300F was a close second.
Of the letter cars, I liked the H. Almost bought one. The dark web holds me in first gen Chargers.
 
Toyota is the best built vehicle in the world and barely a sole is going to argue that.
The German stuff is garbage after the warranty runs out. Can- am stuff at least you can work on and keep running
I will argue that all day long.
And what does the bottom of your foot or shoe have to do with it? [I think the word you're looking for is 'soul'... but as Tojos have none of that, I'm not surprised by their apologists misspellings.]
 
Of the letter cars, I liked the H. Almost bought one. The dark web holds me in first gen Chargers.
The allure of the electroluminescent instrument panel is shared by both. Was my favorite feature of my 300F, second was the full body sweeping fins.
 
I have a 77 Dodge camper van, and a 007 Chev pick up with a V6. Shirley has a near new Honda.
My moemcycles are Japanese, with one 96 Triumph. That is British for those that do not know.
Most new stuff, particularly bikes, are of no interest to me.
And, I have a 41 Ford 9N tractor, with electronic ignition, 12 volts and an alternator.

One night, about 1967, my 37 Ford easily outrun a newish Mercedes cage. My Ford was not stock. It was also a hearse.
 
I've always driven Chrysler corp cars. I owned 1 Ferd and I owned 1 GM, both big disappointments. Without getting political my parents lived WWII and foreign cars were not something one would consider. I'm not going to change my opinion on that either.
Lately I'm not sure what I would buy. If you buy a CRam truck the profits go offshore, same as the other guys. I think about where the profits from my purchase go and consider it. I also consider reliability and value, I've been disappointed with my 18 Cram however I know the Ford and GM stuff have their problems as well. So there you go. I think this "global economy" we've had crammed down our throats is unnecessary and I will be happier when it is accepted for the fallacy it is. I make my money at home not offshore and I want the jobs created by spending my money to stay at home as well.
 
Okay we pretty much agree on this. But taking it futher. Can you describe any personality types that are stuck on certain brands. We discussed the Subaru owners here lately. For instance my sister's Toyota's tag reads EARTH1ST (Sorry I actually thought that up for her) and she has a coexist sticker. (Toyotas only) My brother and his family are quite liberal (not in the political sense) so I don't get in trouble and they're urbanites. They like being around people. (German car buyers) As for me I want my closest neighbor to be 50 miles away.
Glad to see you don’t tend to be reclusive.!!
 
I will argue that all day long.
And what does the bottom of your foot or shoe have to do with it? [I think the word you're looking for is 'soul'... but as Tojos have none of that, I'm not surprised by their apologists misspellings.]
Many Thanks! I'm not even going to blame spellchecker!
 
1974 we got our first Corolla 1600 stick from her brother. He just graduated from chemical engineering. He bought a 2002 TTI. Summer time first fire up
manifold pipes would turn cherry red. Hated the car. Had a Rabbit for a while, then went to Nissans. The Toyota dealership in Calgary told him he needed major engine repairs. Oil was running out over the bell housing. A quart in 400 miles. I took it to ENNS TOYOTA. Two mechanics on staff. Took a look said they could do something that the factory recommended. Enlarge oil gallery hole in the end of the rocker shaft. I think 40.00.
Gave it to our son about 1986. Ran great. It was quicker than most V8’s for maybe 50 feet or so. Some dizzy female decided stop signs were not important and broad sided him. End of that.
In 86 my wife bought her brother’s 1985 Supra stick car, great vehicle. 1991 bought a new 1992 stick 4Runner sold that in 2012 and bought our 2006 4L 4Runner. Love it.
 
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I usually don't tease because I am an awful speller and typist, but I want the 007 version of the Chevy truck. Is this it Krusty?

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Foreign films are ok, but not cars? :poke:
Russia? Do I need to move this to N&P? :blah:

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1961 Chevrolet Apache C30 One-Ton Truck
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I have an old girlfriend I talk to a lot. She's always traveling somewhere. She went to Iceland and visited this and that. I thought it would be cool to go there and drive to the remotest (Is that a word?) part and just sit by myself and look at the ocean. I think the feeling of solitude would be awesome.

Krusty now that I'm reminded of this movie I want a '61 Apache!!!

V help me out, what is N&P?
 
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Yikes, I checked my message above. I wrote 007. My V6 Chev is a 2007. But at one time I did own a 57 2 ton Chev. Swapped the 6 cylinder for a 350 V8.
My Social Insurance number ends in 007, and my phone number ends in 7000. Got the numbers mixed up.

Thought about it a bit more. Spell check is changing what I have written, and gets input from past writings. I seem to make more errors with the spell check activated.
 
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There's a bit of junk all over out there and everyone of them have dipped their toes in it. Till my debt is paid, Chrysler owns me, good, bad or ugly. As far as toys, whatever tricks my trigger when I see it. I don't marry a toy, nor do I concern myself with cost or reliability, pure instant attraction. I've divorced a few though.
 
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