Something happened after leaving a car show.

[68BabyBlue]

One thing is if a course KNOWS they have a hazard like this, they should address it and I’d guess more likely it’s not always a backbreaking expense. Beyond the damage, it could cause a serious, even fatal, accident.

Anyway, not the first time I’ve wondered about simple hazard reduction measures given the risks. Guy I worked with lost his eye being hit by a ball while playing...and I was hit once, lucky it only smacked my chest landing me on my ***. While still on my *** on the fairway the guy walks over the crest asking if I saw his golf ball. Yeah, ahh it's right here..

Ron outlines some valid points that took me back to my freshman year in law school. The knowledge of the hazard, combined with control over it, creates the legal burden of "scienter." This refers to a duty owed to others, once these two elements are in place. If I were the golf club owner, I would want to be made aware of the situation. That knowledge could prevent a huge problem at a later time.

As an administrative matter, probably easier to get the money from the insurance company, per my earlier post.

 

[j-c-c-62]

Golf course near a highway have huge nets to stop that crap.

I disagree, the nets most often seen near golf courses are to retain the errant golf balls that belong to the driving range, and even they do not guarantee 100% entrapment. Trees are the most common intentional separator for the wayward golf balls by individual golfers playing on a golf course and are in reality more of a visual barrier.

 

[j-c-c-62]

The knowledge of the hazard, combined with control over it, creates the legal burden of "scienter." This refers to a duty owed to others, once these two elements are in place. If I were the golf club owner, I would want to be made aware of the situation. That knowledge could prevent a huge problem at a later time.

You really think with the thousands of golf courses across this country for over 100 years this is a new just discovered hazard?

I guess baseball stadiums will have to net the entire audience next as it's a known risk a fly ball into the stands anywhere is a risk, and the stadium knows it.

 

[toolmanmike]

You could take it to court but burn up the cost of a windshield and installation and never leave the lawyer's office. You have to prove negligence on the course owners part and that's kind of tough. Also. The course owner didn't drive the ball that caused the damage. A golfer did. Think of it this way, if your car got ran into by another customer in the Wal Mart parking lot, could you sue Walmart for the damages? Only if there was gross negligence on their part.

 

[j-c-c-62]

Nuggets. Windshields are laminated usually and the rest is tempered safety glass. They don't use any glass in cars that breaks into shards.

Laminated automotive winshield safety glass is not tempered and does not break into "nuggets", when it breaks and it does break, it is into shards, attempting to be restrained by the lamination. That was my point, and NOTHING shared here since I shared that point debunks it.

 

[Ron H]

Spent years doing accident investigations and used as an expert witness. There’s what’s called reasonable care (subject to lots of legal debate) and another addressing the degree of liability. Ok, two of the mishaps I mentioned were never dealt with as I saw no changes other than more vegetation/tree growth creating at least more barrier…talking decades. On other courses, I’ve seen high-netting used in some areas, the reasons for it were obvious. IMO, it is a no-brainer to consider barriers when the likelihood with repetitive occurrences exist. Prouty approach. Yes, baseball parks have netting in areas where errant balls often go (behind home plate) and not others where spectators should always pay attention, like sitting behind dugouts. What I’ve observed is when an incident is severe enough, MORE consideration is given to the extent of future prevention. Examples are adding stop signs and lights and/or gates at RR crossings…usually after more than one fatal. Busted windshields are one thing, a driver losing control and killing someone is another.

 

[j-c-c-62]

Well, we agree, the rate of proven incidence or resultant severity does not justify the need for total prevention, in the stadium or on the golf course.
Proof is in the pudding it seems to me.

 

[toolmanmike]

Laminated automotive winshield safety glass is not tempered and does not break into "nuggets", when it breaks and it does break, it is into shards, attempting to be restrained by the lamination. That was my point, and NOTHING shared here since I shared that point debunks it.

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Well I'll give you that one. Yes, it doesn't break into little nuggets like the side glass does. When I think shards, I think of breaking a single pane house window. At least the laminate keeps it all together.

 

[6PKRTSE]

If I was the golf course owner and someone approached me about the golf ball damage to their classic car. I would just pay for the new windshield for my respect for classic cars and the time and money invested in them.

 

[j-c-c-62]

Well I'll give you that one. Yes, it doesn't break into little nuggets like the side glass does. When I think shards, I think of breaking a single pane house window. At least the laminate keeps it all together.

Except the OP here is telling us in his case it did not.

 

[j-c-c-62]

If I was the golf course owner and someone approached me about the golf ball damage to their classic car. I would just pay for the new windshield for my respect for classic cars and the time and money invested in them.

That is admirable and probably smart business to a point for a club owner, except how do you know who exactly hit the ball that caused the damage or when, with likely nearby hard surfaces (asphalt/concrete/other cars/etc) a ball call travel nearly 400 yards? It could even have been the car owner if it was parked.

 

[Ron H]

A wide-open conversation. I forgot more courses have homes aligning the fairways having watched errant balls smacking the walls, windows, playing pin-ball on patios, etc. Years ago on a FL vacation, played a course that had houses so close to the fairways it made water and bunkers less concerning than the houses. A few had screens around their patios. Two courses I used to play later were developed with homes crammed in wherever they could squeeze them in, tiny lots and huge houses for that GC appeal. Lol, and some owners would complain to course management when their house was pock marked by balls. The skill level sometimes doesn’t matter, even pro golfers have found patios, and worse.

Reminds me of a farmer’s wife I worked with raising pigs. Lots of stink and then a subdivision went in around them and the residents bitching about it. Well, dah…

 

[Fran Blacker]

A wide-open conversation. I forgot more courses have homes aligning the fairways having watched errant balls smacking the walls, windows, playing pin-ball on patios, etc. Years ago on a FL vacation, played a course that had houses so close to the fairways it made water and bunkers less concerning than the houses. A few had screens around their patios. Two courses I used to play later were developed with homes crammed in wherever they could squeeze them in, tiny lots and huge houses for that GC appeal. Lol, and some owners would complain to course management when their house was pock marked by balls. The skill level sometimes doesn’t matter, even pro golfers have found patios, and worse.

Reminds me of a farmer’s wife I worked with raising pigs. Lots of stink and then a subdivision went in around them and the residents bitching about it. Well, dah…

One of several reasons Englishtown Track probably closed from near by houses. Over the years houses being built closer and closer to the track.

 

[Ron H]

There was an age-old track that used to be in a rural area, then came the subdivisions and whining about noise on weekends.
Lol, if one is bothered by track noise two-nights a week in summer, done by 9:30PM, or golf balls living next to a golf course, or the smell of a farm...well buy a house somewhere else.

 

[Coelacanth]

One of the reasons many insured cars have a no-fault windshield damage provision.
How about this, you park outside the outfield wall at a baseball field, and a home run goes thru your windshield, who pays?
You drive by golf course and a golf ball ricochets off another car and goes thru your windshield, who pays?
Bottom line don't drive by a golf course without being able to accept the risk, they were there first, and besides, everybody knows no golfer can hit the side of a barn even if they wanted to, so errant shots are the norm.
"checking with a lawyer" will cost you more than a new windshield.
Zoning already signed off on the golf course, their hands are clean.
I am glad nobody got hurt.
Is this fair, not really, but if it required fixed liability, everyone with a cracked/scratched windshield would be driving by a golf course to get their free new windshield, ie it would be abused big time.
Buy your insurance.

One issue with this simplified analogy...when you're parked and get a broken windshield, there's no safety concern. If you're driving and your windshield shatters...that's a major safety concern.

Agree with your comments about insurance though.

 

[kiwigtx]

Sorry to hear about the broken windscreen. I have lost 3 x screens to stones from trucks over the past couple of years. The Insurance company will chase them f they want, but usually it's not worth their time for a new screen.

It's also going to be hard to blame a person playing golf on a course - unless of course you can prove it was malicious intent...... accidents happens.

BTW ...this Volvo has a hairline crack ....

 

[RR Fan Dan]

Looks like someone got lucky on the hood.

 

[F4R/T]

Someone found a use for a Volvo!

 

[j-c-c-62]

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Looks like someone got lucky on the hood.

That reminds me. Early in my career I was doing a small local outdoor concert. One of my employees had his truck parked back stage, and a number of local hotties were watching the concert sitting on his hood. I saw that he noticed the girls and walked over and asked them to get off, all except one. I later asked him why not all, he said she was the hot one.
I ended up marrying her.

You say???

 

[Dakotaacres]

I contacted Hagerty insurance and the agent said nothing can be done. They do see these claims.

The agent is reaching out to a third party for a windshield for me. Can anyone help find the right windshield I would need, tint etc.? And who is qualified to install the windshield? I also heard the reproduction verions are thinner windshield.