Procharged 440?

Mr.SpeedFreak · Sep 19, 2014

Hey guys, I'm working a deal right now to pick up a used procharger from a friend here locally and just had a few questions if anyone has experience/ secondhand knowledge of running one on a mopar.

I know the Supercharger Store down in Arizona has mounting kits and stuff, but how would adding the procharger effect my accessory drive setup as it is now (Factory pulleys, alt, water pump, power steering)? I would probably end up running a cog belt if everything would still be compatible

Also are there any air intake options other than the cone filter sticking out the back of the procharger sitting right on top of the header? I'll have an intercooler I can run front mount, but still not crazy about sucking that hot air straight off the header.. considered doing an aluminum heat shield for the bottom of the filter if it's worth any kind of gain on lower IAT's.

Is there any way to run a pcv or some other check valve in the power brake booster line to work with a supercharged engine? I know that's how some of the turbo guys do it but not sure with a procharger

I know there's a few guys on here running them so any experience you could share would be awesome

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Moparmatt72 · Sep 19, 2014

Yea you could have a different intake fabbed up pending on having enough room, but think even though your pulling the hot air into the supercharger the intercooler will cool the charge down before going into he engine. I believe the at all the brackets for these types are designed to work with factory accessories.

Herr_Poopschitz · Sep 19, 2014

The blower should have a dedicated drive belt that is run off of a separate pully that is usually mounted piggyback within the existing crank pully.

As for heat shield, use stainless, not aluminum.

If you choose to change intake location...your imagination is the limit. Depending on how much fab you're willing to do...cut hole in fender or maybe route to cowl... I'd suggest 4" pipe w/ minimal bends.

You shouldn't need a check valve going to booster, unless you're applying the brakes while at WOT simultaneously. Once off the accelerator, vacuum comes right back. Never had or seen a prob that needed anything like this.

Here's an alternative to Supercharger Store...not sure if they're affiliated, but another potential option I found while researching putting my own kit together w/ a Vortech T-trim.
http://www.neweraracecraft.com/procharger-kits.html

What model is it? Miles? Reason he's selling? Prochargers seem to be the least reliable centrifugals out there...just fyi...

Mr.SpeedFreak · Sep 19, 2014

Thanks for the replies guys, and yeah from what pictures I could find of mopars running prochargers the drive belt did look to be piggybacked onto the existing crank pulley, the main one I wasn't sure about retaining was power steering but I'm sure whoever I buy the mounting stuff from will have some info on that.

And true the intercooler should help, especially since I only plan on running 6-8 psi, so maybe a heat shield will be enough. The car will see a lot of driving and I'm sure rain at some point so fenderwell is out of the question but we'll see when the time comes I guess.

And not sure about the details just yet herr, just heard that it was pulled off a 5.3l chevy and now for sale, waiting to hear how much the guy wants for everything. But I haven't heard a bad word about their reliability ? I personally know a guy that's running one on his daily driven el camino and loves it. And their facebook just shared a guy that has had one on his corvette for 205,000 miles with no maintenance but regular oil changes.

Edit: picking everything up tonight, for 250 bucks how could you go wrong? Lol!

Herr_Poopschitz · Sep 19, 2014

Mr.SpeedFreak said:
Edit: picking everything up tonight, for 250 bucks how could you go wrong? Lol!

Well, it could be sized inappropriately. I wouldn't put anything smaller than a D1SC on a 440.

A good used head unit should go for far more than $250.

coloradodave · Sep 19, 2014

I put a Pro-Charger on my 98 Chevy pick-up. I bought the kit and it installed perfectly. I didn't have to modify anything. Very impressive these days. Loved the increase in performance and even picked up a little mileage.

Herr_Poopschitz · Sep 20, 2014

Mr.SpeedFreak said:
Edit: picking everything up tonight, for 250 bucks how could you go wrong? Lol!

So what happened?

lxmodguy · Sep 20, 2014

a typical 440 would probably be able to make plenty of boost with a P1. Now if you had a massive set of heads, a free flowing intake, the D1 would be a better choice. Adding boost to a poorly timed poorly fueled motor is kind of a waste in my opinion. I would strongly suggest a crank trigger ignition and a direct port EFI setup. The more precise the timing and fueling, the less heat and back pressure.......the more power.

Mr.SpeedFreak · Sep 20, 2014

Herr_Poopschitz said:
Well, it could be sized inappropriately. I wouldn't put anything smaller than a D1SC on a 440.

A good used head unit should go for far more than $250.

I know it should, that's why I said I couldn't go wrong haha. The inducer roughly measures 3.5" so it should be good. It shows its age with a little surface rust on the compressor but there's no shaft play or chunks taken out of any fins or anything, and all in all looks like a pretty good unit. Worst case scenario I send it in to be rebuilt, I'm still heaps of money ahead of buying a brand new one. $250 bought me the head unit, pulleys, mounting bracket (for chevy), procharger intercooler (6"x18"x3" core), autometer phantom af gauge, fuel pressure gauge, bov, and all the piping.

Oh and I forgot to mention, I know the brake booster would still see vacuum off-throttle but the thinking behind the pcv/other check valve was supposedly just to prevent the booster from seeing boost when at open throttle. Again, not sure how necessary that would be but figured it'd be worth asking.

coloradodave said:
I put a Pro-Charger on my 98 Chevy pick-up. I bought the kit and it installed perfectly. I didn't have to modify anything. Very impressive these days. Loved the increase in performance and even picked up a little mileage.

Wow thanks for sharing that Dave, very clean and good to hear you're liking the setup. How much boost are you running?

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lxmodguy said:
a typical 440 would probably be able to make plenty of boost with a P1. Now if you had a massive set of heads, a free flowing intake, the D1 would be a better choice. Adding boost to a poorly timed poorly fueled motor is kind of a waste in my opinion. I would strongly suggest a crank trigger ignition and a direct port EFI setup. The more precise the timing and fueling, the less heat and back pressure.......the more power.

Yep the end goal is a procharged 440 with full sequential efi following what this guy has already put down as a really successful setup:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,99432.0.html

But I'm not looking for huge power, just a shot in the arm of my engine that will be semi-daily driven. So I'll most likely start out with a pair of the larger chamber edelbrock rpm heads, Flatout head spacer gaskets, a boost friendly cam swap, possibly a drop-in msd dizzy, 20 psi 100 gph electric fuel pump, aeromotive boost referenced regulator (I'm only planning on running 6-8 psi), and the blow through holley double pumper I'm currently building. Bottom end is already forged, balanced, and still practically brand new. Won't be a 1,000 hp roadburner but should give me everything I need to get a decent, reliable tune. :shruggy:

Herr_Poopschitz · Sep 20, 2014

Excellent score. Jeez...it's not stolen property or anything is it?

If you're not planning on using the 5.3 brackets or know anyone that wants it...I may know a few people that might be interested...

Mr.SpeedFreak · Sep 20, 2014

Herr_Poopschitz said:
Excellent score. Jeez...it's not stolen property or anything is it?

If you're not planning on using the 5.3 brackets or know anyone that wants it...I may know a few people that might be interested...

Surprisingly no but it was definitely a steal I made on it haha. And thanks for the heads up, I'll keep that in mind. Depending how expensive the 440 mounting brackets are and how much mine is worth, I might just modify this one but we'll see

coloradodave · Sep 20, 2014

Thank you. I actually sold the truck 3 years ago at an auction in Monterey, CA. The kit for the 5.7 put out 8-9 lbs. boost. Plenty for a street truck. The paint was too nice and I always worried about leaving it anywhere.

747mopar · Sep 20, 2014

Can't wait to see this come together!

rdrunning · Oct 8, 2014

not trying to hyjack your thread but i have a question

I have a line on a vortec s/c that is set up for a mustang,

is it possible to buy just the big block chrysler brackets to make it work?

thanks

CHARGERSTEVEN · Oct 8, 2014

Starting to make things scary on that charger

conv67bdere · Oct 8, 2014

Speedy, if you are not sure what to do I will be happy to take it off your hands and I will even offer you $300 . . . that would really go NICELY on the 5.7L Hemi in my Belvedere convertible ! ! !

What are friends for . . . I'll be glad to help you out . . .

Mr.SpeedFreak · Oct 14, 2014

rdrunning said:
not trying to hyjack your thread but i have a question

I have a line on a vortec s/c that is set up for a mustang,

is it possible to buy just the big block chrysler brackets to make it work?

thanks

Sorry I missed your question but I'm really not sure.. I've known for a while now that Procharger mounting kits have been available for mopar applications but I have no idea as far as Vortech goes. It'd be worth giving the Supercharger Store a call though and see if Bob has any insight on that

CHARGERSTEVEN said:
Starting to make things scary on that charger

I hope so Steven, scary horsepower would be just about right haha

ccasion14:

conv67bdere said:
Speedy, if you are not sure what to do I will be happy to take it off your hands and I will even offer you $300 . . . that would really go NICELY on the 5.7L Hemi in my Belvedere convertible ! ! !

What are friends for . . . I'll be glad to help you out . . .

Sorry Kahn but my crazy hippy friend already has ya outbid at $400 lol but agreed you should be keeping an eye out for a 5.7 kit for the kahnvertible, gotta be some new-challenger guys out there trying to re-sell their gen III procharger kits

conv67bdere · Oct 14, 2014

Mr.SpeedFreak said:
Sorry Kahn but my crazy hippy friend already has ya outbid at $400 lol but agreed you should be keeping an eye out for a 5.7 kit for the kahnvertible, gotta be some new-challenger guys out there trying to re-sell their gen III procharger kits

Do I hear $500 . . . $500 going once . . . going twice . . .

YES - we have a $500 bid from the Khan-vertible ! ! ! ( SMILE ) . . .

dieseldazzle · Oct 14, 2014

They sell the brackets only for the procharger on the 440 at summitracing. You download the procharger PDF file for the install and it has a parts list that has a parts number for just the brackets and hardware and then call summit they will sell it to you. I have done this with many many vortech setups and 5.0 mustangs

Mr.SpeedFreak · Oct 14, 2014

dieseldazzle said:
They sell the brackets only for the procharger on the 440 at summitracing. You download the procharger PDF file for the install and it has a parts list that has a parts number for just the brackets and hardware and then call summit they will sell it to you. I have done this with many many vortech setups and 5.0 mustangs

Oh that's awesome thanks for the info, would you happen to have any links to the pdf download? I'm looking around but not having much luck. My procharger is a P1SC if that matters

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