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Importance of Fender Tag?

Hey where can you get the fender tag with a build sheet or if the tag needs to be replaced
 
I totally understand that there are a lot of guys out there that just have to be restoring a car all the time. I know a few of them. It doesn't have to make sense to them money wise because they just want to do it and they can afford it. I'm not one of those guys. I've bought a few half finished projects over the years and finished them because I really liked the car. I lost money on all of them, especially if you count my labor. These days the market for finished cars is so soft that I would be very reluctant to buy an unfinished project unless it's incredibly cheap. JMHO. Good luck whatever you decide.
 
crahill39 said:
I am thinking of picking up another project car. I have come across several that seem to be good fits in my budget and tastes, but it seems each time I inquire, the Fender tag is missing. How much of a risk to the future value or validity of the car comes with buying a car with no fender tag even if the body numbers match?

Craig
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Only matters if your trying to restore the car and then sell it. Also depends on how much the car costs. If it is priced really cheap like a parts car it's not a big deal. If they are trying to get big $$$$ for the car, then it will hurt the value. I bought a '69 Coronet R/T that was a bracket race car missing the fender tag, (and the interior and original drivetrain), but it was only $700.
 
verdelaw said:
mmissile is going to tell you to save your money and wait for the nicest car that you can afford with the closest to what you want in options shows up... and he's right. These days, in the long run, it is waaaaaay cheaper to buy one already (or mostly) done. I'm sure you already know this. However, some cars/options are rare enough that you're just not gonna find what you want unless you wait years and years... which was the case for me. So, I saved and bought a running car in decent (in my opinion) shape that was close-ish to what I wanted. Like someone said, you gotta do your own research and decide what price range you think is fair.

I want to see what you decide and what you end up getting! Pics!
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Very good points from you both. I put one of my projects up for sale to start the saving process. The first muscle car I ever rode in was 69 RR, my older brother bought for $1000. The original 383 was removed in favor of a 440. I just remember the smiles on our faces the first time he punched it, and I was pinned back to the seat. I thought I was the stuff when he let me ride to town with him in it. I have a little saved up, and hoping the selling the other project will get me in the game. However I got told by a person looking at my car on ebay that the market is tanked for old cars and my 71 RR was basically a PoS not worth selling. I didn't realize the market tanked, because most the cars on there are way expensive. So maybe I will have to just keep plugging away at saving for now.
 
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crahill39 said:
However I got told by a person looking at my car on ebay that the market is tanked for old cars and my 71 RR was basically a PoS not worth selling.
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I wouldn't listen to a douche on ebay. The place is full of scammers and bullshit artists. Well.. I guess the internet is full of them overall.. so that kind of discounts anything I or anybody else says on this site. Anyway, for what it's worth, do your own research and don't trust a single point of information (whether it be some guy, some site, or some ad). Average everything in your brain and on paper to figure what your stuff is worth. When I was selling my M3, I had a guy call me repeatedly to lowball me and then tell me how little my car was worth after I rejected him (I was polite about it too by the way). He told me all about how dumb I was being. I waited a few more weeks and sold it for $3.5k more than he was offering, and to a much nicer dude.
 
verdelaw said:
I wouldn't listen to a douche on ebay. The place is full of scammers and bullshit artists. Well.. I guess the internet is full of them overall.. so that kind of discounts anything I or anybody else says on this site. Anyway, for what it's worth, do your own research and don't trust a single point of information (whether it be some guy, some site, or some ad). Average everything in your brain and on paper to figure what your stuff is worth. When I was selling my M3, I had a guy call me repeatedly to lowball me and then tell me how little my car was worth after I rejected him (I was polite about it too by the way). He told me all about how dumb I was being. I waited a few more weeks and sold it for $3.5k more than he was offering, and to a much nicer dude.
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Thanks for the comment. I found this car a new home to a member on this site at a price that was good for both of us. On another note, I talked with the body shop about the roof swap on my 71 GTX and it is going to be more $ that I budgeted for so I am going to let the car go along with another 71 Road Runner donor car. I have my eye on a few other cars that I am in the ballpark for, and hopefully I can score one of them.
 
The 69 roadrunner I'm working on doesn't have a tag. But this car was bought cheap and is not gonna be a concourse car. I'm just making it into a hot rod. Every car I've owned that was mint I was afraid to drive, you fear for every nick and spot. To each his own. I guess I would be in the guy who doesn't worry about getting the money I put into it but try's to do it cheap category. ha ha . I don't care about fender tag if I love the car.
 
I can tell you from experience.... if there is no fender tag or build sheet.. most will walk away..

My dad has a '70 RR that he has up for sale.. no fender tag, no build sheet.. The Vin number plate matches the body stampings, its not a clone, it was a 383, believe it was a bench seat and an AT... we put a '71 440 and a 4-speed in it with a console as a previous owner already converted the floor pan over to that set up..

Everyone that has looked or inquired about it, change their mind and low ball him when we tell them there is no fender tag or build sheet.. Its a 99% rust free, running driving, 70 RR with a 440-4-speed with buckets and a console that everyone wants cheap and their reasoning is the fender tag..


If its a car you want to keep, who cares.. if its a car you want to flip.. be in it cheap if its missing those.. Just my experience
 
Great thread. I have a similar opportunity. I'm looking at a 1970 GTX today with the same problem. I don't know a lot about the car until I see it, but it's supposed to be close to complete. Drivetrain is not original. Owner said it was all out of the same 69 GTX. I'll check VIN and body numbers, but I'm thinking unless he can produce a build sheet, I'm gonna walk. Thanks for all the opinions, guys.
 
Here's the deal:
I can almost guarantee you restoring any car is going to end up costing much more in time, money, and resources than you plan for. At the end of the day why do less than maximize your efforts by purchasing a pig in a poke.
Take the time - be methodical, and locate a solid car. It will be worth the time and effort.
 
Unless your restoring an original 6-bbl or something of similar or greater value, it's probably going to lose money. Given that, I'm not sure what monetary value the fender tag will hold.
Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a plus.
To restore an average 69GTX to a lovely driver from normal state of decay will take 60k +. (And that's being conservative).
You won't get more than 45k out of it. (Most likely).
So if it's a losing proposal anyway......... and it's a car you really like....... pull the trigger..
 
I walked, no... ran away from that deal. Horrible body. I'll stick with my pink one for now. One project at a time!
 
I understand the advise about buying a car that done and it being cheaper but for some the fun is in the build. For others they just cant afford or save up that kind of money for a one time purchase, so they opt to buy a project and build it a little at a time. A GTX without its fender tag? Id treat it as a Sport Satellite with the wrong emblems and pay appropriately.
 
Every situation is unique.

If you are only concerned that a given car is a true GTX/RR/R\T/Super Bee, then a VIN only will verify that.

If you are concerned with options, like color, seats, trans, etc, then the tag adds a lot of value to prove the way it was built.

I personally don't care to spend extra on "matching numbers" engines.

The VIN and tag verify that it was built as a performance car, and with a particular engine.

That can translate into a huge savings for me :)
 
steve from staten island said:
I understand the advise about buying a car that done and it being cheaper but for some the fun is in the build. For others they just cant afford or save up that kind of money for a one time purchase, so they opt to buy a project and build it a little at a time. A GTX without its fender tag? Id treat it as a Sport Satellite with the wrong emblems and pay appropriately.
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Wouldn't the VIN indicate GTX?
 
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