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Yep, I'm running one in my big block 451. It works amazing, is size 24 like stock and only 7-lb. I bought an XS Power Lithium Titanate after seeing a review by Rick Ehrenberg in Mopar Action a few years ago. It looks like that one from Walmart is Lithium Iron Phoshate. These are the 2 safest when it comes to fire, overcharging, shorts, or puncture. If you see one advertised that is a Lithium ion pouch type - do not buy it. Those are very dangerous. Those are used in cell phones and current model Teslas. They're fine until something goes wrong. I really like the other 2 types of Lithium batteries. I have another thread here on FBBO if you search for it. I posted a fire dept video comparing the safety of the 3 types.

These require a special charger to avoid overcharging, which you need to be more careful with to avoid damaging the battery. If you use a conventional charger you can damage the battery real quick. The chargers are small and only cost around $50. It's also a good idea to use an adjustable voltage regulator to make sure the charging voltage stays in the required range.
 
j-c-c-62 said:
Anybody tried anything like this in say a less than big block car?
I just bought one at Walmart, 5 yr warranty, less than 6lbs, and $199.

https://www.batterymart.com/p-nlp30-noco-lithium-powersport-battery.html?msclkid=d25a81f3178815a36878e7e3b10f2404&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=*NOCO Powersports Batteries: Search - JF&utm_term=noco lithium nlp30&utm_content=NOCO: Batteries - NLP30
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I hope you didn't buy this one. It's for motorcycles. 6.5" x 5" x 7"
 
That was my first impression also, but 700A starting is 700 amps, no matter what it is in. In my case it will be in a track car. were every pound counts.
Maybe I will run in my lawn mower and see how it performs. I haven't opened the sealed box yet, so its still returnable.
I ordered a special charger for it, it will arrive tomorrow.
 
j-c-c-62 said:
That was my first impression also, but 700A starting is 700 amps, no matter what it is in. In my case it will be in a track car. were every pound counts.
Maybe I will run in my lawn mower and see how it performs. I haven't opened the sealed box yet, so its still returnable.
I ordered a special charger for it, it will arrive tomorrow.
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Reading on a couple of exotic car sites they were using them.
 
j-c-c-62 said:
That was my first impression also, but 700A starting is 700 amps, no matter what it is in. In my case it will be in a track car. were every pound counts.
Maybe I will run in my lawn mower and see how it performs. I haven't opened the sealed box yet, so its still returnable.
I ordered a special charger for it, it will arrive tomorrow.
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Since this is around $200 and since a regular car battery is about the same price, this is a tempting option. I moved the stock battery to the trunk to clean up the engine bay but doing so added a lot of weight. The group 24 size batteries are what...40 lbs? Add in the extra length battery cables and ground straps and I may have added 30 lbs of weight to do it. Going back to a battery in the engine bay while using a 7 lb battery could mean a weight reduction of 60-63 lbs!
I don't see the value if the battery is $300 or more but if you need a battery anyway OR if another car of yours could use your existing one, this is interesting.
 
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Lithium batteries should only be sold if a fire extinguisher is included in the sale....
 
You guys are repeating what you've heard, not what you've actually dealt with.
Don't play with yourself, you'll go blind.
Don't use drugs, you'll get hooked.
Sex without protection always results in unwanted pregnancy.
Don't go swimming right after eating.
Blah-blah-blah....
I've done stuff on cars or at work in construction against warnings for years and have never faced the consequences that I was warned about.
I don't run naked and blindfolded through mine fields but come on...some of you are like Chicken Little here.
If racetracks are allowing these in race cars, wouldn't you think their governing bodies might have researched the risks and banned them if they were dangerous? These batteries sit in warehouses waiting to be sold or shipped to stores. Are they exploding?
I agree, when punctured, a Lithium battery can catch fire but how often does that happen? I've only damaged 2 batteries to the point of rupture and one of them was when I jumped a car for a stunt in a home movie and the battery flew out of the car upon landing.
 
Kern Dog said:
You guys are repeating what you've heard, not what you've actually dealt with.
Don't play with yourself, you'll go blind.
Don't use drugs, you'll get hooked.
Sex without protection always results in unwanted pregnancy.
Don't go swimming right after eating.
Blah-blah-blah....
I've done stuff on cars or at work in construction against warnings for years and have never faced the consequences that I was warned about.
I don't run naked and blindfolded through mine fields but come on...some of you are like Chicken Little here.
If racetracks are allowing these in race cars, wouldn't you think their governing bodies might have researched the risks and banned them if they were dangerous? These batteries sit in warehouses waiting to be sold or shipped to stores. Are they exploding?
I agree, when punctured, a Lithium battery can catch fire but how often does that happen? I've only damaged 2 batteries to the point of rupture and one of them was when I jumped a car for a stunt in a home movie and the battery flew out of the car upon landing.
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My brother works at the local tip, and they regularly get dickheads throwing Lithium batteries in their rubbish.

One fire took two weeks to burn itself out at the facility. Compacted bins have been seen smoking after the door has been shut, and when emptied, they find lithium batteries.

It happens a lot.
 
you guys are not well informed. Not all Lithium batteries are created equal. As I mentioned, I researched this a lot before buying and using my Lithium Titanate battery and there is another thread I posted about the comparisons. Stick with the Lithium Titanate or Lithium Iron Phosphate battery types and fire hazzards are not a concern compared to the Lithium Polymer pouch type like those found in Teslas. Tesla is actually planning to switch over to the safer type.
 
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kiwigtx said:
Is this guy some sort of Gospel Preacher ???...... it seems that there's a lot of people who worship the ground he walks on. :rolleyes:
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well, he is a good source of hands on tech knowledge and has been a Chrysler master mechanic and writer for Mopar Action magazine for a LONG time (until they just recently went out of business). Some of us disagree with some of his views, but he is very thorough and is often spot on.
 
The 5 year warantee is a plus. The reserve capacity of 8 AH is pretty low. It better not have to crank long or run anything with the ignition off. Better have a ggod alternator.
Doug
 
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I agree, it is NOT IMO best suited capacity wise for a daily driver application in the size first mentioned here.
 
Kern Dog said:
You guys are repeating what you've heard, not what you've actually dealt with.
Don't play with yourself, you'll go blind.
Don't use drugs, you'll get hooked.
Sex without protection always results in unwanted pregnancy.
Don't go swimming right after eating.
Blah-blah-blah....
I've done stuff on cars or at work in construction against warnings for years and have never faced the consequences that I was warned about.
I don't run naked and blindfolded through mine fields but come on...some of you are like Chicken Little here.
If racetracks are allowing these in race cars, wouldn't you think their governing bodies might have researched the risks and banned them if they were dangerous? These batteries sit in warehouses waiting to be sold or shipped to stores. Are they exploding?
I agree, when punctured, a Lithium battery can catch fire but how often does that happen? I've only damaged 2 batteries to the point of rupture and one of them was when I jumped a car for a stunt in a home movie and the battery flew out of the car upon landing.
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Was beer involved?
 
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