My RR is missing the tag. Even if I located the BS I would not re-pop the tag. But now if I found the fender tag I would party like 1999 
Fender Tag Replacement
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After the previous 12 cars went by with the partial VIN being stamped and the line worker sobered up from his 40 ounce Old English lunch. Grew up in Detroit seen it everyday.
This was only after he opened up the bolt holes on the fender to make it fit. Not fit well, just fit! LOL.
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Did anybody see the 'bird on BAT recently? tag showed both a hemi and a 440!
- 29 – Lynch Road Assembly Plant gate-sequence number
- 154 – Lynch Road Assembly Plant base-sequence number
- 176826 – Lynch Road Assembly Plant line-sequence number
- 112 – 426ci V8 with two four-barrel carburetors, manual transmission, and heater
- 052 – 8.75″ Sure Grip rear axle with 3.55:1 final drive and 10″ rear drum brakes
- 676 – A833 four-speed manual transmission for 426ci and 440ci V8 engines
- 26 – 26″ radiator
- C16 – Center console with woodgrain trim
- V19 – Special-order black vinyl roof
- V88 – Transverse-stripe delete, add Road Runner nameplates
- FJ5 – Limelight Green paint
- P6XA – Premium trim, vinyl front bucket seats, charcoal and black interior
- TX9 – Black-painted upper door frames
- B30 – November 30, 1969, scheduled production date
- J98478 – Vehicle order number
- E86 – 440ci Super Commando V8 with four-barrel carburetor
- D21 – Four-speed manual transmission
- RM23 – Plymouth Road Runner two-door hardtop
- U0A – 375-horsepower 440ci V8 with four-barrel carburetor; 1970 model year; Lynch Road Assembly Plant
- 175571 – Serial number
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Clicking on these fender tag threads is like watching an impending train wreck with all of the "it will destroy the hobby" BS... What they are not telling you is that MANY of the very high dollar restored cars that have crossed the auction block with reproduced fender tags.
If you want a tag, get one made. It is not rocket science but it can be a little tricky getting one made that is correct to your make, model, year and plant it was made at. That said, do some research and learn what right looks like.
I will concede that you probably cannot get a tag made that is identical to the one the car was born with but since you don't have that tag (obviously) the point is mute.
The same haters that tell you not to get a tag made are the first guys to ask about a tag thus they have created the illusion that not having a tag makes your car less than complete. In other words these types have created the situation where having a tag means something but yet cry when someone wants to get one.
Perhaps I missed it but typically someone will scream that getting a tag made is illegal (which it isn't). Have a tag made that represents the car you have and ignore everyone else.
If you want a tag, get one made. It is not rocket science but it can be a little tricky getting one made that is correct to your make, model, year and plant it was made at. That said, do some research and learn what right looks like.
I will concede that you probably cannot get a tag made that is identical to the one the car was born with but since you don't have that tag (obviously) the point is mute.
The same haters that tell you not to get a tag made are the first guys to ask about a tag thus they have created the illusion that not having a tag makes your car less than complete. In other words these types have created the situation where having a tag means something but yet cry when someone wants to get one.
Perhaps I missed it but typically someone will scream that getting a tag made is illegal (which it isn't). Have a tag made that represents the car you have and ignore everyone else.
The only thing that I see that talks about a Hemi is the 4-speed transmission, which would be the same between the two engines.
A little odd it shows an 8 3/4.
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Clicking on the responses makes one sigh.
Yes, badly remade, crappy and fraudulent tags are on high dollar cars.
What the apologist don't tell you is the that's what drives down the value of the cars as the provenance has been altered. If the last vestige of accuracy is make up, who knows what one is actually buying? Was this car made a tan Barracuda /6 automatic convertible or has the VIN been swapped, or faked, and an orange Hemi four-seed tag been made and attached?
It's not rocket scientist but anyone that has made made effort to actually study tags knows exactly how difficult it is to reproduce a tag with accuracy. 99% of the crap tags out there are made by well intentioned buyers and vendors that haven't done any significant homework at to what it takes to make an accurate tag. Vendors KNOW they cannot accurately reproduce a tag but take the money anyway. Would we tolerate this attitude with any other vendor?
FTP folks are not haters. We've seen too many naive buyers ripped off. The buyers would never buy an inaccurate repo part for their but willingly spend money because they trust a tag maker recommend by someone that knew less about tags on FB or message boards. Again, try explaining to a new owner they just spent $$$ on a crap tag and why they got ripped off after trusting the tag maker.
Well intended people that would never steer a newbie toward bad parts willing suggest they use a vendor for which they have no idea about quality of product. Well intended people that frankly, have no clue about tags, rationalize and justify other people spend money on crap products. Sometimes those that want tags are not trying to perpetuate a fraud. Sometimes they are. I've encountered them.
If tags don't matter, then not having a tag doesn't matter, doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't affect resale value.
If tags matter, then why not care about accuracy and quality like we do other after market products? Why rag on people that are trying to steer people toward accurate parts or save them money?
Sometime the best and most honest answer, and the one that does't hurt anyone, is:
"There's no way to make an accurate tag for your car. If you choose to spend $300 on a piece of metal that resembles a fender tag and may raise questions of credibility, please proceed but realize you are buying crap."
At least then the buyer can make an informed decision.
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I'll be the first to admit, I know zelch about tag #'s, but this seems strange to me?
- 112 – 426ci V8 with two four-barrel carburetors, manual transmission, and heater
- E86 – 440ci Super Commando V8 with four-barrel carburetor
- D21 – Four-speed manual transmission
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From the "Aero Warriors"
112 083 676 row 2
112 426 8-bbl, Four Speed 113 426 8-bbl, Automatic
114 440 4-bbl, Four Speed 115 440 4-bbl, Automatic
122 440 6-bbl, Four Speed 123 440 6-bbl, Automatic
E74 D21 row 6
E74 426 8-bbl
E86 440 4-bbl
E87 440 6-bbl
The tag in question should have 114 instead of 112
112 083 676 row 2
112 426 8-bbl, Four Speed 113 426 8-bbl, Automatic
114 440 4-bbl, Four Speed 115 440 4-bbl, Automatic
122 440 6-bbl, Four Speed 123 440 6-bbl, Automatic
E74 D21 row 6
E74 426 8-bbl
E86 440 4-bbl
E87 440 6-bbl
The tag in question should have 114 instead of 112
And what about the 052?
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Ah yes the specter of the fake Hemi cars and how reproduction tags will hurt the value of the breed... blah blah blah.. all BS. Also this reoccurring theme of not being able to "accurately" reproduce a tag, more BS, again there are some very high end cars with reproduced tags out in the wild. Sure there are some crappy tags as well but then again there are some crappy tags from the factory as well.
The real problem here is that the purists and the collectors have made this FT thing an issue. Do FT's matter, well in realty not really however so many come on these type threads and scream that the hobby will collapse if someone reproduces a tag that it has created a situation wherein if you don't have a tag your car is somehow less complete.
There is a reason (other than the insinuation of malfeasance) that people want tags made AND that there are companies that will provide that service. Given the responses to these threads evidentially the companies that do make tags are irresponsible charlatans who want to destroy the hobby.
The real problem here is that the purists and the collectors have made this FT thing an issue. Do FT's matter, well in realty not really however so many come on these type threads and scream that the hobby will collapse if someone reproduces a tag that it has created a situation wherein if you don't have a tag your car is somehow less complete.
There is a reason (other than the insinuation of malfeasance) that people want tags made AND that there are companies that will provide that service. Given the responses to these threads evidentially the companies that do make tags are irresponsible charlatans who want to destroy the hobby.
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There are many examples of incorrect tags from the factory.
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Yeah I know that's wrong too, but a least only one axle is on the tag, LOL!
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I'm pretty sure this isn't the case with said bird
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I am not following, if it says 112 and is a U code car then something is incorrect.
The purists don't have an issue, either you have the fender tag , or it's gone.
If you don't have one, the car is only less complete by a tag.
Yes. The reason is money. Everyone likes more of it, no doubt about that.
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Obviously the purists do have a problem if someone asks about getting a tag made they get their panties all knotted up and start crying. Probably one of the reasons people want to get tags made.
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