440 Starter Replacement

[4404ME]

I just bought this Proform "Mopar" unit from summit. I actually like the way it sounds. Starts very quickly

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I just bought this Proform "Mopar" unit from summit. I actually like the way it sounds. Starts very quickly

Proform Parts 440-415 Proform Mopar Licensed High-Torque Starters | Summit Racing

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Thanks for the heads-up! Are they built in the USA? Appreciate It!

 

[Curiousyellow71]

There are some bb headers that the factory 90s mini starter doesn't fit. But they fit in many applications. If you go that direction get a post relocation kit as well....like this:
Mopar Mini Starter Terminal Conversion/Relocation Kit *THE BEST, PLEASE READ!!* | eBay

 

[zombezoo]

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Thanks for the heads-up! Are they built in the USA? Appreciate It!

I'm not sure, I liked it was all new parts and bought it mostly for that. I looked around a little and it doesn't seem to say made in USA anywhere which makes me think it's not.
I have only been using it a few weeks but so far so good.

 

[GTXDAN]

Using Rck Ato as a reference the mini starter was first used in 1988 on D150s and continued in use through 2002 on 1500s. There are 2 different versions as far as power goes. Some are 1.0 KW and some are 1.4 KW, but will fit the same vehicles. If you look at the specs for the Delco starter they sell as p/n 3361722 it says it is a Denso starter.
I got one from the local pull a part to put on my 70 GTX as the Summit headers won't let you use a full size starter.

 

[RJRENTON]

They do? I don't know about a Dakota starter, but every Denso starter I have had apart for our cars had wound fields. Technically this is a DC motor. DC motors don't have stators. Stators are AC motor terminology. DC motors have an armature and a field, sometimes referred to as a field frame.

If the DC motor had permanent magnet fields (those do exist), I seriously doubt they would match the torque capable out of a series wound field like a conventional starter. That is the beauty of series wound motors - they give up rpm to generate torque when armature amps increase. Huge advantage if you are dealing with significant system voltage drop issues as we have in our old cars. I understand that there are PM starters in some new cars, but I don't think you can take that technology and put it in the old cars with great success. What would be the advantage? Maybe there is, and if so, you learn every day.......

Remember DC motor torque = K x PHI x Ia where PHI is magnetic field strength, Ia is armature current and K is a constant.

Your comments about DC series wound motors are exemplified in the old (relative) over head cranes. I learned DC crane control many years ago. The best control systems used the old Square D design, or sometimes AO Smith/ Clark scheme, and rarely Cutler-Hammer. The series wound hoist motors provided up to 250% (or more) locked rotor torque, but sacrificed speed. The control system connected the hoist drive as a series wound motor....armature, field coils, and interpole coils all connected in series and reconnected as a shunt motor, with field coils and interpol coils in parallel via the control logic, when in the lowering mode, with the motor acting as a DC generator, with the overhauling load providing the energy. And with no load, the series wound motor could 2x faster than normal. The traverse drives, bridge and trolley (and a second hoist drive, if used) were also series connected motors for maximum torque at low RPMs. Speeds and torque were regulated with resistors in series with the armature current.....very effective.
I believe the newer starter motors use permanent magnetics in place of the field windings, which results the all current available for the armature without any field coil losses....hence more torque developed at locked rotor conditions, as developed torque is directly proportional to armature amps. The old DC crane drives have largely supercedes with variable frequency AC motors or brushless DC motors, because of costs...........just a little side line information.......
BOB RENTON

 

[WileE]

There are alot of "new" Frankenstein starters out there so be careful! I think its 128000-1780??