64 Fury Drum Brake Parts

[matthon]

Trying to determine and locate the brake parts needed to get my 64 Fury going, er, stopping. The car is in VGC, sat a while in storage, but nothing is rotted. Single master cylinder is empty, but no rust inside. I want to replace parts, not upgrade anything at this point, except for a 65 dual mc.

It has power brakes, 4 wheel drum.
My front drums' inside diameter is 10", and the pads are 2.5" wide.
Front wheel cylinder has part #2266368R stamped into it.

According to this, the rear drums and studs can be replaced:
http://hotrodsandhemis.com/TaperedAxleBrakes.html
Studs: BK 641-1128
Brake drum: ND 4401129

Also, according to another member, Dorman studs work as well on the rear: 610-090
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/mopa...ds-for-62-10-rear-drums.79344/#post-910140206

Will the the drums and studs listed above fit the front as well and allow the conversion?

I'm having a hard time locating parts, even the ones listed above.
When I look up brake parts for a 64 no luck, look up a 65 and they are available.

Cardone booster 54-73456 is available for a 65, will this fit a 64?

What wheel cylinders, brake shoes, and hoses fit?

Between NAPA and Summit, it appears I can get what I need, however I might have to mix and match between 64 and 65, and guess unfortunately.
Just wondering if anyone has gone thru this before.

 

[dukeboy_318]

Trying to determine and locate the brake parts needed to get my 64 Fury going, er, stopping. The car is in VGC, sat a while in storage, but nothing is rotted. Single master cylinder is empty, but no rust inside. I want to replace parts, not upgrade anything at this point, except for a 65 dual mc.

It has power brakes, 4 wheel drum.
My front drums' inside diameter is 10", and the pads are 2.5" wide.
Front wheel cylinder has part #2266368R stamped into it.

According to this, the rear drums and studs can be replaced:
http://hotrodsandhemis.com/TaperedAxleBrakes.html
Studs: BK 641-1128
Brake drum: ND 4401129

Also, according to another member, Dorman studs work as well on the rear: 610-090
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/mopa...ds-for-62-10-rear-drums.79344/#post-910140206

Will the the drums and studs listed above fit the front as well and allow the conversion?

I'm having a hard time locating parts, even the ones listed above.
When I look up brake parts for a 64 no luck, look up a 65 and they are available.

Cardone booster 54-73456 is available for a 65, will this fit a 64?

What wheel cylinders, brake shoes, and hoses fit?

Between NAPA and Summit, it appears I can get what I need, however I might have to mix and match between 64 and 65, and guess unfortunately.
Just wondering if anyone has gone thru this before.

rockauto dot com... That's where I ordered all my brake stuff for my 64 polara. 4 wheel drum, same system as yours.

 

[khryslerkid]

You can look through my build thread, pages 10 through 15 on what I did converting the tapered axles to flange and having removable drums front and back.

https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/taking-up-new-residence.114133/page-10

 

[matthon]

I actually read thru both threads before, missed the part where you upgraded the front.
So it appears the conversion drums and studs will fit both front and back. I will not be converting the axles.

Checked RockAuto, every mc for a 64 is out of stock, only one 65 in stock that looks the same as the 64, same as mentioned above: Cardone 54-73456.

Anyone ever buy this booster and might know if it fits a 64?

 

[matthon]

NAPA studs are $4.04 a piece, for each stud, and that is the on-line price, it's more in store, but since they only have 4 in stock at my local store, when you order on-line it 'kicks back' to the store and they have to order them at some higher price.

That's ridiculous, of course I cannot find a comparable stud on-line, but usually they are $20 for 10.

 

[khryslerkid]

So it appears the conversion drums and studs will fit both front and back. I will not be converting the axles.

I had used the same drum on the back for the fronts but the center hole was a little loose on the hub. I ended up buying Napa part #440-1056 for the fronts which were a perfect fit in the hub.

Dorman carries all different sizes studs. I would go to Napa online looking through their Dorman studs for the right size. I think i was looking on Dormans site also. My local Napa would order them for me, same as online price. If they didn't work they would return them, no problem. They were very helpful in finding some that I could use. I even had to order several sets of drums from them before I found a good set. (Imperfections like cracks)

I couldn't find the right ones for the front hubs and ended up modifying a set with a longer knurled section. (Got tired of looking) Then I found out I needed to use spacers on the rear for tire clearance and had to find studs with a longer knurl so they would fit tight through the spacer. It helps to find a stud with enough knurl to just be even with the drum surface. Makes for a better fit.

I'd like to pull my hair out trying to find the right studs. Luckily Napa helped me out and understood what I was doing or I would have had a pile of studs that I couldn't use, some upwards of $5.00 a piece. I also found the knurled area on a lot of them weren't consistent. Some would be tight, some would be loose. Ended up welding them on the front hubs. It's what we have to deal with working on a 50 year plus old car.

 

[rarefish]

The dual mc first showed up on 1967 cars. All single mc before that year.
The 10" front drum brakes are pretty much the same on all B-bodies 1962 on up.
I can't help you on finding a booster for you 64.
I converted my power drum brake 1964 Belvedere wagon to manual disc brakes using a late model two bolt aluminum mc. I also replaced the rear axle with one from a 1965 B-body to eliminate the tapered drums.
If you have the booster, it can be sent out for a rebuild.

 

[64BEL]

If you want a dual master cylinder, you'll have to go to a '67 or later. No duals until '67.

 

[matthon]

Thank you all for the info.
I ordered everything I could online, including drums, wheel cylinders, rubber lines, right hand nuts, pads, and a 68 mc.
I will buy the studs from NAPA.

The front drums/shoes look ok, I might be able to use them as is, and replace the wheel cylinders.

Once I get the rear hubs pulled off we'll see where it takes me, but I'll have the parts to get it back together. Of course,I realize new parts can be garbage once you open the box.

I get it's ideal to have the knurl even with the drum surface, I have since seen some who grind it off a little, looks like fun.

My understanding is to convert to manual the firewall bracket is different and the pedal rod.

If my booster is bad, can it be driven, safely? Even just to get it home.

 

[moparsteve636]

Wouldn't be wise to drive it with a bad booster! I had one go bad on an Imperial about 20 miles from the house Had to use the E/brake for braking! Really bad with auto release! My advice trailer or have it towed!

 

[khryslerkid]

If my booster is bad, can it be driven, safely? Even just to get it home.

Every car that I've driven with a bad booster, it took both feet on the pedal to get her stopped, plus the vacuum leak made the engine run rough.

 

[matthon]

I guess I can fill it with fluid, bleed the brakes, and whether there is a leak somewhere or not, see if the booster works.
It seems odd that the mc is empty but looks brand new never used inside. I see no signs of prior leaks. Maybe it was replaced and the work never completed.

BTW, I've never seen a part number so visible.

 

[khryslerkid]

To check the MC and booster you take the MC loose from the booster and see if it's wet with brake fluid behind. The booster can be checked with a vacuum on the fitting. Useing a vacuum gauge and see if it holds vacuum. If it leaks down it's bad.

 

[rarefish]

Thank you all for the info.
I ordered everything I could online, including drums, wheel cylinders, rubber lines, right hand nuts, pads, and a 68 mc.
I will buy the studs from NAPA.

The front drums/shoes look ok, I might be able to use them as is, and replace the wheel cylinders.

Once I get the rear hubs pulled off we'll see where it takes me, but I'll have the parts to get it back together. Of course,I realize new parts can be garbage once you open the box.

I get it's ideal to have the knurl even with the drum surface, I have since seen some who grind it off a little, looks like fun.

My understanding is to convert to manual the firewall bracket is different and the pedal rod.

If my booster is bad, can it be driven, safely? Even just to get it home.

Yes, there are two different fire wall brake brackets...

 

[VANDAN]

If you run into trouble with the new parts on your build, I have a complete set of front 10" drums I removed from my '63 330. They are in nice shape, and worked 100% when I took the car down. I'm going disc up front, so I won't be using them. I may keep the spindles. Car was a California car, so no winters on them...

 

[dukeboy_318]

I actually read thru both threads before, missed the part where you upgraded the front.
So it appears the conversion drums and studs will fit both front and back. I will not be converting the axles.

Checked RockAuto, every mc for a 64 is out of stock, only one 65 in stock that looks the same as the 64, same as mentioned above: Cardone 54-73456.

Anyone ever buy this booster and might know if it fits a 64?

I just checked... there's 4 listed for power brakes, 5 listed for manual brakes, ALL in stock.

 

[matthon]

I wrote mc, then booster, I was referring to the booster for a 65 is in stock, but not for a 64. Wondering if they are the same or interchangeable.

 

[moparsteve636]

I wrote mc, then booster, I was referring to the booster for a 65 is in stock, but not for a 64. Wondering if they are the same or interchangeable.

They will interchange on the 64-65 B-bodies, M/C will also

 

[FU64RY]

I wrote mc, then booster, I was referring to the booster for a 65 is in stock, but not for a 64. Wondering if they are the same or interchangeable.

I am looking for a booster for my 65 where are they in stock please?

 

[dukeboy_318]

I am looking for a booster for my 65 where are they in stock please?

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