Boeing 737 Crashes in China Mid-Flight
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I can't imagine the terror in the minds of the people on that plane. I hope they recover the recording devices and find the cause. At least, for Boeing's sake, it wasn't another Max8 type of aircraft.
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BIG HIT for Boeing...AGAIN...
Hoping it is not MCAS software issue....
MCAS grounded Boeing 737 MAXs for 2 years
Hoping it is not MCAS software issue....
MCAS grounded Boeing 737 MAXs for 2 years
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Possible suicide?
I wonder if the Chinese sacrificed some of their own, wouldn't be the first time, to push an agenda.
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This guy is a pilot and has several videos analyzing aircraft crashes. He thinks a pilot had to manually control the aircraft to crash that way, " hands on the yoke".
His YouTube channel is Probable Cause.
His YouTube channel is Probable Cause.
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In case I missed something, this happened a few days ago Auggie. In fact the search is ongoing to find the black boxes...cr8crshr/Bill
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It was a 737-800 which doesn't use MCAS.
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The rest of the 737 line has its own problems.
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The 737 800 has a really good record for safety and still too this day the best record in the industry
If we can pin it on the Russians it could help a bunch of people.
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I enjoy watching the show Mayday... No, I do not enjoy the crashes or deaths, but the forensic work they do to understand what went wrong to it and what they do to make that particular Aircraft safer is really interesting...
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I'm a longtime pilot but not an airline pilot or rated in any jets.
Armchair quarterbacking is rarely constructive as it's merely speculating. In fact, various aviation associations have cautioned members to be careful what you say if you witness an accident and end up questioned by reporter. "I saw him in the landing pattern, then lost control and dove into the ground, I think they stalled!" is a guess and not treating the pilot or anyone else with respect.
I can just give some random thoughts though. Like thinking of a couple other airline disasters such as the Atlas air flight in Houston where a 767 plunged from the sky after the pilot flying accidently engaged a go around control, panicked, froze at the controls and put the plane into an unrecoverable dive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Air_Flight_3591
As a flight instructor, one great concern I have is about a student locking up on the controls. It doesn't happen often, but does happen on very rare occasion without warning and there is little to nothing an instructor can do to take control if it happens, so it usually ends up deadly. Adrenalin and elbows locking is not something the other person in the cockpit can overcome with physical force. I read someplace if you put your hands over someone's eyes, instinct will cause them to reach up and try to get them off, but I don't know if that actually works, or if I will even remember that if I am ever in that situation!
Hopefully the flight data recorders will be salvageable, and if so, control inputs and cockpit communications would show, or rule out if something like happened on that Atlas air crash happened.
The other crash that comes to mind is this one-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
Again, if flight data recorders survived it can be determined if suicide is what happened.
Only other thing I can add, is that although I haven't flown with any Chinese students, there is an airport in northwest Indiana where there is a school that trains Chinese flight students, and the stories I've heard about the quality of those students are not reassuring.
It will be interesting to hear what the cause is when the investigation is finished.
Armchair quarterbacking is rarely constructive as it's merely speculating. In fact, various aviation associations have cautioned members to be careful what you say if you witness an accident and end up questioned by reporter. "I saw him in the landing pattern, then lost control and dove into the ground, I think they stalled!" is a guess and not treating the pilot or anyone else with respect.
I can just give some random thoughts though. Like thinking of a couple other airline disasters such as the Atlas air flight in Houston where a 767 plunged from the sky after the pilot flying accidently engaged a go around control, panicked, froze at the controls and put the plane into an unrecoverable dive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Air_Flight_3591
As a flight instructor, one great concern I have is about a student locking up on the controls. It doesn't happen often, but does happen on very rare occasion without warning and there is little to nothing an instructor can do to take control if it happens, so it usually ends up deadly. Adrenalin and elbows locking is not something the other person in the cockpit can overcome with physical force. I read someplace if you put your hands over someone's eyes, instinct will cause them to reach up and try to get them off, but I don't know if that actually works, or if I will even remember that if I am ever in that situation!
Hopefully the flight data recorders will be salvageable, and if so, control inputs and cockpit communications would show, or rule out if something like happened on that Atlas air crash happened.
The other crash that comes to mind is this one-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
Again, if flight data recorders survived it can be determined if suicide is what happened.
Only other thing I can add, is that although I haven't flown with any Chinese students, there is an airport in northwest Indiana where there is a school that trains Chinese flight students, and the stories I've heard about the quality of those students are not reassuring.
It will be interesting to hear what the cause is when the investigation is finished.
Flight data recorder has been found:
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/27/1089062365/china-eastern-crash-black-box-found
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/27/1089062365/china-eastern-crash-black-box-found
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Wow, 500 feet away from impact and 5 feet down into the ground! Flight impact hole 65 feet deep...
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dadsbee, I got 130 feet from the impact from that article.
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Hey, I'm doing corporate tax returns and have numbers in my head.. forgive me! LOL. Either way I'll be amazed if they can get anything off the thing...
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