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Interesting First 340 Compression Test

Dibbons

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This "hodgepodge" 340 is a complete engine I purchased some years ago (it was already .040 over and had 1.88" intake valves). I had a valve job performed, the crankshaft turned (.020" now), and I honed the cylinders, replaced the rings, bearings, camshaft, lifters, springs, retainers, oil pump, oil pump drive, water pump, fuel pump, oil pan (Kevko). The pistons were re-used and are flat with four small valve notches (photo #5).

I rebuilt the factory '72 Thermoquad listed for a 340 automatic of that year. Ran the motor at fast idle, and curb idle while still in the driveway during several sessions of camshaft break-in and carb "tuning". Had a vacuum leak which I believe was alleviated by changing the base plate carb gasket "sandwich" of an aluminum plate with a top and bottom gasket to the thicker one piece gasket. I estimate total run time was about an hour altogether (used at least two gallons of gasoline during this time).

Then I ran down the highway to the local gas station and back (about a 5 mile trip). On the way there, it was running OK, but on the way back after accelerating a little aggressively for just a few seconds it began to run pretty crappy (but it never stalled). I never noticed any smoke during initial start-up nor idling nor driving down to the station. Vacuum reading is around 15 inches mercury at idle.

So before looking into any more "tuning", I decided to pull the plugs and perform a compression test. The motor was still a little warm at the time and I did block the throttle wide open during the testing.

All eight plugs looked exactly the same: pretty darn black (photo #1). When the first six cylinders all came back at 130 psi I began to believe my compression tester needle would not climb higher than 130. But then the next cylinder read 150 psi and the last cylinder 105 psi. I squirted some oil in the "weak" cylinder and turned the motor over a few seconds. Then I performed another check on the weak cylinder and it read 130 psi (photo #2).

When honing the cylinders, I noticed one of the corner cylinders kept coming out with a different looking sheen/finish. I believe that cylinder had previously been sleeved. Now I can't remember if that was cylinder #1, #2, #7, or #8 (might be written down in my notes somewhere).

I never performed a cylinder leak down test before and don't know if that weak cylinder warrants that kind of looking into. I will mention that timing was off during start up and a did a lot of cranking and was afraid a cam lobe may turn out to be wiped out (I hope not).

And I will mention that my old compression gauge tester became junk when it began to blow the hose off. I tried to remedy that situation with worm clamps but to no avail (photo #3). I had to purchase another one (photo #4).

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This "hodgepodge" 340 is a complete engine I purchased some years ago (it was already .040 over and had 1.88" intake valves). I had a valve job performed, the crankshaft turned (.020" now), and I honed the cylinders, replaced the rings, bearings, camshaft, lifters, springs, retainers, oil pump, oil pump drive, water pump, fuel pump, oil pan (Kevko). The pistons were re-used and are flat with four small valve notches (photo #5).

I rebuilt the factory '72 Thermoquad listed for a 340 automatic of that year. Ran the motor at fast idle, and curb idle while still in the driveway during several sessions of camshaft break-in and carb "tuning". Had a vacuum leak which I believe was alleviated by changing the base plate carb gasket "sandwich" of an aluminum plate with a top and bottom gasket to the thicker one piece gasket. I estimate total run time was about an hour altogether (used at least two gallons of gasoline during this time).

Then I ran down the highway to the local gas station and back (about a 5 mile trip). On the way there, it was running OK, but on the way back after accelerating a little aggressively for just a few seconds it began to run pretty crappy (but it never stalled). I never noticed any smoke during initial start-up nor idling nor driving down to the station. Vacuum reading is around 15 inches mercury at idle.

So before looking into any more "tuning", I decided to pull the plugs and perform a compression test. The motor was still a little warm at the time and I did block the throttle wide open during the testing.

All eight plugs looked exactly the same: pretty darn black (photo #1). When the first six cylinders all came back at 130 psi I began to believe my compression tester needle would not climb higher than 130. But then the next cylinder read 150 psi and the last cylinder 105 psi. I squirted some oil in the "weak" cylinder and turned the motor over a few seconds. Then I performed another check on the weak cylinder and it read 130 psi (photo #2).

When honing the cylinders, I noticed one of the corner cylinders kept coming out with a different looking sheen/finish. I believe that cylinder had previously been sleeved. Now I can't remember if that was cylinder #1, #2, #7, or #8 (might be written down in my notes somewhere).

I never performed a cylinder leak down test before and don't know if that weak cylinder warrants that kind of looking into. I will mention that timing was off during start up and a did a lot of cranking and was afraid a cam lobe may turn out to be wiped out (I hope not).

And I will mention that my old compression gauge tester became junk when it began to blow the hose off. I tried to remedy that situation with worm clamps but to no avail (photo #3). I had to purchase another one (photo #4).

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Looks like a nice job on removing casting flash and smoothing of all pockets/surfaces in the valley. Is it coated with glyptal or something else?
 
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Looks rich, as for compression, it really isn't broken in yet. I would deal with with the rich condition and get some miles on it. Then an actual leak down will tell you if it's exh,int or crankcase.
 
Pretty sure that Rustoleum primer isn't going to stay in there. Why did you do that? Saw this in a race car engine, do not know what they actually used, but the oil dissolved the paint and plugged the oil pickup, took the rods out of it. You better keep a close eye on that or tear it down and get rid of it.
 
Well, I stand corrected. Still don't think that I would ever do it. The cleaning part bothers me. After sending 3 engines out for work and hot tanking, kind of discouraged on the returned product. The electric motor stuff would be my choice if I were to do it. Do they make that in white.
 
What model TQ is it? Does the part # start with a 4 or a 6. [Stamped on one of the mounting feet].
My initial guess is there was debris in the fuel system & has now caused the carb to flood with debris getting under the n/seat. Easy to check: engine idling, look for fuel dribbling from primary boosters; note: it could pass this test & still run rich from other causes, depending on carb model.
 
What model TQ is it? Does the part # start with a 4 or a 6. [Stamped on one of the mounting feet].
I just took the factory '72 carb all apart to search for the vacuum leak (it's still clean as a whistle inside). I did not remove the floats however. The Thermo-quad number is 6139S. And I changed the inline fuel filter before installing the carb.
 
I dont trust your compression tester. I would run the engine fairly hard for a few hundred miles then check it with a reliable gauge.
 
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