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Promises??? We Shall See...

They are aiming at a younger demographic than most of us, but can that younger demographic afford to purchase or lease one; and will they be interested in all that stuff on the dashboard? Is that the appeal for the younger demographic? Lots of electronic gadgets and exterior cameras. Longterm reliability is going to stink.



I do wish Dodge good luck though.
The percentage of people our age that are looking for a car that can snap off our old necks at a stop sign is low and disappearing. All this talk coming from old guys with few new cars left in us means little to a company that looks 10 years out. They can't even do that with all this back and forth from our government, that alone can break a company. They need new blood to show up at the dealers. I've owned a few cars in my time that others walked by because of cost, I had a need for speed. There was also a time I refused to look at a digital dash, now they're easier and faster to read for me and kids love electronics. Things are changing and if these young people fall out of love with cars, there could be a smaller market for our cars for those that are counting on it. As far as them affording it, there's a fool born every minute. I met a kid driving this hellcat Dodge truck that cost over a 100,000 dollars. He lived at home with his mommy and daddy..................... I pray he doesn't run for president.
 
Well the difference is that the hurricane was designed from the ground up to be what it is, it's not a cobbled together old design (that 350 diesel was a pile of ****)..

Also.. someone already got a hurricane into the 9s...
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I'm talking about everyday, real world longevity. I've owned a viper and a Mustang Saleen. The difference is, the Viper was never built to go 200,000 miles, the Mustang will. I buy a car to drive, not show off. After 70,000 or 80,000 miles, that Viper will be a financial burden to own for most people.
 
I'm talking about everyday, real world longevity. I've owned a viper and a Mustang Saleen. The difference is, the Viper was never built to go 200,000 miles, the Mustang will. I buy a car to drive, not show off. After 70,000 or 80,000 miles, that Viper will be a financial burden to own for most people.
My jeep just died at 31k miles... and the hemi had lifter issues for like 10 years.... i don't think they know how to make anything last anymore honestly. I just bought a new nissan.. will see how that V6 holds up. great motor.. kind of hating the truck though (mainly the ride onroad, i got too used to my cushy jeep)
 
I see a lot of younger to middle age guys and girls driving new Chargers and Challengers, I don`t think that will change much but muscle cars are still a small niche market compared to trucks and suvs. If Chrysler wants to survive they need to keep selling Rams, Jeeps, Durangos and other family type vehicles which is the bulk of all sales.
"In the US automotive market, there's a clear trend towards SUVs and trucks, with these body types now making up the majority of new vehicle sales. This shift is driven by factors like consumer preference for space and versatility, as well as the increasing popularity of larger, more capable vehicles. While sedans and other car body styles still exist, their market share has decreased in comparison."
 
My jeep just died at 31k miles... and the hemi had lifter issues for like 10 years.... i don't think they know how to make anything last anymore honestly. I just bought a new nissan.. will see how that V6 holds up. great motor.. kind of hating the truck though (mainly the ride onroad, i got too used to my cushy jeep)
Back 40-50 years ago if a car made it to 80-100k before completely falling apart that was a huge accomplishment, now many get over 200k. Yes ALL makes have issues whether its engine, transmission, electrical or rusting frames. My last three vehicles have been newer Rams - `17 I bought new traded at 75k with NO maintenance/issues just gas, oil changes and one set of tires, `18 I bought used blew the transmission at 80k but luckily I bought a 100k warranty and got a new one put in for $0 at the dealer ($11k bill) but NO other issues, current `21 I bought at 38know has 50k and NO issues yet.
 
Back 40-50 years ago if a car made it to 80-100k before completely falling apart that was a huge accomplishment, now many get over 200k. Yes ALL makes have issues whether its engine, transmission, electrical or rusting frames. My last three vehicles have been newer Rams - `17 I bought new traded at 75k with NO maintenance/issues just gas, oil changes and one set of tires, `18 I bought used blew the transmission at 80k but luckily I bought a 100k warranty and got a new one put in for $0 at the dealer ($11k bill) but NO other issues, current `21 I bought at 38know has 50k and NO issues yet.
Which is nice, but chrysler at this point has systemic issues like the hemi lifter tick or in my case the 3.6l coming apart at 31k miles and i took care of this thing better than any car i have had (really pissed bout it still) The 3.6 has an issue with roller rockers failing and eating the cam (known as the pentastar tick) on mine it had the cam phasers die and the tick.. thing would sound like it had a rod coming out when you start it... if it was a one off or uncommon thing that would be one thing. but it's not.

P.S. every company has issues and a good way to judge them is how they take care of issues... Chrylser doesn't.. they kept pumping out hemis for a decade with the issue.. same for the pentastar
 
"The Chrysler 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine is generally considered a good and reliable engine, especially for its class. It's been widely used across various Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles since 2011, and has received positive feedback for its performance and dependability. While some early models experienced issues, these were largely addressed with design updates, and the engine is known for its longevity and ability to surpass 250,000 miles with proper maintenance."
 
"The Chrysler 3.6L Pentastar V6 engine is generally considered a good and reliable engine, especially for its class. It's been widely used across various Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles since 2011, and has received positive feedback for its performance and dependability. While some early models experienced issues, these were largely addressed with design updates, and the engine is known for its longevity and ability to surpass 250,000 miles with proper maintenance."
Also a AI response...

"The "Pentastar tick" refers to a common ticking noise originating from the 3.6L and 3.2L Pentastar V6 engines, particularly in Dodge, Chrysler, and Jeep vehicles. This noise is typically caused by issues with the rocker arms or lifters, specifically the roller bearings within the rocker arms. If left unaddressed, this can lead to further engine damage, including camshaft wear"

P.S. the pentastar tick issue was so bad that a class action lawsuit was put forward.. it wasn't a rare occurrence :)

 
I am not arguing that the 3.6 doesn`t have it`s issues just like the Hemi tick but almost ALL manufacturers have had issues with certain engines and many other components, it is NOT unique to Chrysler products.
 
I am not arguing that the 3.6 doesn`t have it`s issues just like the Hemi tick but almost ALL manufacturers have had issues with certain engines and many other components, it is NOT unique to Chrysler products.

Didn't say it was unique to them, it was just a personal example is all as i have only owned Chryslers up til now..
 
no word on that dipstick yet.

No dipstick on either one. Not surprising. Other manufacturers did away with dipsticks more than 10 years ago.

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My jeep just died at 31k miles... and the hemi had lifter issues for like 10 years.... i don't think they know how to make anything last anymore honestly. I just bought a new nissan.. will see how that V6 holds up. great motor.. kind of hating the truck though (mainly the ride onroad, i got too used to my cushy jeep)
A friend came by last week to pick up some furniture I was giving away. He pulls up in a new Nissan Frontier, White, 4x4, crew cab. This is a guy that's only owned Chevy and ford trucks. He's not interested in them anymore because of the cost. He bought it because it cost around $50,000, nicely load, in my opinion and has a NA V6. He told me, one downfall is, the MPG on it blows................ I liked it!!
 
Might as well go with electric motors since car manufacturers don't make reliable internal combustion engines. :poke:

:lol:
 
And a 7 main bearing straight 6 is a very strong engine.
There's a reason why most diesel manufacturers us a 7 main straight 6 design. John Deere's biggest, made a couple miles from me, is 18 liter/1098 cubic in. and makes 830 horse and 3123 lb/ft of torque. You have to have a strong bottom end for that kind of power. Other manufacturers are even bigger.
 
Exhaust "noises" at 6:20

 
I'm talking about everyday, real world longevity. I've owned a viper and a Mustang Saleen. The difference is, the Viper was never built to go 200,000 miles, the Mustang will. I buy a car to drive, not show off. After 70,000 or 80,000 miles, that Viper will be a financial burden to own for most people.
When I had the second overhaul done on my Peterbilt, the shop owner told me that he assumed I wanted longevity rather than maximum power when he calibrated the fuel delivery. He was right, and that engine made it to 1.7 million miles. One of my competitors did the opposite, and broke the crankshaft. He sold the truck for junk, and financed a newer one. After that one wore out, he was out of business. He's still driving company equipment at age 74, can't afford to retire.
 
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