superbird challenger thingy

[68bee70rr]

Everybody is out to capture the 2005 Mustang lightning in a bottle, but most just don't get it. You can get old farts interested in a name! If your car can't be easily mistaken for the real deal (2005+ Mustang, Challenger V2, etc.), just reusing the name, ala the Dart II, isn't going to bring in droves of high-end buyers. The proposed Cuda V2 and the Road Runner above have some styling cues in common, but don't really look enough like the originals to drive sales.

You said it best!

 

[snakeyes]

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[Budnicks]

what was that before the abomination ?? was it a 300C or a Cadillac ?? kind of looks like 300C tail-lites, they are 4drs, but looks like a Eldorado's 2dr from the side, with a vinyl roof, wing & a nose cone... maybe a Chrysler Sebring ?? I like the color, is about all thou....

 

[2059]

thank you; no.

owning a first edition 2008 challenger is enough. in my opinion, you get a bunch of high school art students doodling around and submitting concept cars to somebody, somewhere and all the sudden it's forward thinking... no; no it's not. it's just a hack job on timeless design. If Petty is truly a part of the design team and not just cashing a HUGE check for the endorsement (which I suspect); he has, in my opinion, lost it....

 

[Photon440]

That was a spoof concept from around 2007, Mopar Action I think. At least they got the door count right.

 

[snakeyes]

 

[Richard Cranium]

Each additional concept is worse than the previous one. Time to close this thread down before someone pukes.

 

[Budnicks]

each additional concept is worse than the previous one. Time to close this thread down before someone pukes.

lol...

 

[paladin06]

It's so wrong on every level..

 

[MarPar]

Each additional concept is worse than the previous one. Time to close this thread down before someone pukes.

uke:uke:uke:uke:

 

[super-bee_ski]

The title of this thread shouild read; Bastardised Superbird Challenger Thingy.

That thing is an abomination.

BUT: I ask each and everyone of you this one question;

"Would we have said the same when we were back in 1969 or 1970 when and if we saw a Daytona or Superbird" ??

I personally saw a Red 1969 Daytona on the I-95 in Rhode Island and I personally liked it AND I saw a sublime Superbird down by rthe Beach (Narragansett Pier) around 1971 and I liked it too.....I was 16 yrs old then.

BUT...the "older generation" snubbed their noses on these cars...now they are better than "Blue Chip" stocks.

I also question my capabilities on determing a "new" potentially collectible car...

ARE WE ALL MISSING OUT ON THE 6.4L DODGE CHARGER SRT??
Calims:
1. Most powerful V8 sedan
2. 470 HP
3. 470 lb-ft torque.
4. 0 to 60 mph in high four second range.
5. Top speed of 175 mph.
6. Fuel saver techonology.
Available in Superbee model...HUH ? : )

Is this a collectible for the future?

 

[Budnicks]

BUT: I ask each and everyone of you this one question;

"Would we have said the same when we were back in 1969 or 1970 when and if we saw a Daytona or Superbird" ??

I personally saw a Red 1969 Daytona on the I-95 in Rhode Island and I personally liked it AND I saw a sublime Superbird down by rthe Beach (Narragansett Pier) around 1971 and I liked it too.....I was 16 yrs old then.

BUT...the "older generation" snubbed their noses on these cars...now they are better than "Blue Chip" stocks.

I also question my capabilities on determing a "new" potentially collectible car...

ARE WE ALL MISSING OUT ON THE 6.4L DODGE CHARGER SRT??
Calims:
1. Most powerful V8 sedan
2. 470 HP
3. 470 lb-ft torque.
4. 0 to 60 mph in high four second range.
5. Top speed of 175 mph.
6. Fuel saver techonology.
Available in Superbee model...HUH ? : )

Is this a collectible for the future?

when the originals of the Superbirds & Daytonas came out, I loved them, But I was an 10-11 y/o too, but we only had like 1 or 2 of each in all of the Concord, Pleasant Hill, Walnut Creek, Antioch, Pittsburg, Martinez, Lafayette, Ca. East Bay area thou.... I know I always looked for them... I remember my step dad Bob hated them, he was a die hard car guy & Mopar guy too... He likes them now, it's like allot of the old hatters, it's a nostalgia thing, an old race car history/prowess thing, now more than anything today... they really weren't liked all that much originally or they would have sold so much more of them.... I think we have an era now, with cool muscle/performance based cars, that will be the new muscle car era for future gearheads... VERY Soon absolutely nothing new, will be a performance oriented internal combustion engine equipped car, if our Fed. Govt. Libiots have anything to say about it, with all the new mileage &/or C.A.F.E. std.'s &/or C.A.R.B. &/or EPA std.'s, starting to go down that road again like we did in 1972... my $0.02 cents

 

[Richard Cranium]

BUT: I ask each and everyone of you this one question;

"Would we have said the same when we were back in 1969 or 1970 when and if we saw a Daytona or Superbird" ??

I personally saw a Red 1969 Daytona on the I-95 in Rhode Island and I personally liked it AND I saw a sublime Superbird down by rthe Beach (Narragansett Pier) around 1971 and I liked it too.....I was 16 yrs old then.

BUT...the "older generation" snubbed their noses on these cars...now they are better than "Blue Chip" stocks.

I also question my capabilities on determing a "new" potentially collectible car...

ARE WE ALL MISSING OUT ON THE 6.4L DODGE CHARGER SRT??
Calims:
1. Most powerful V8 sedan
2. 470 HP
3. 470 lb-ft torque.
4. 0 to 60 mph in high four second range.
5. Top speed of 175 mph.
6. Fuel saver techonology.
Available in Superbee model...HUH ? : )

Is this a collectible for the future?

We all know that Daytonas & Superbirds were built for a purpose; to win Nascar. That bastardized Challenger car has no race purpose whatsoever and converting a new Dodge Challenger into a modern incarnation of a Plymouth Superbird is just plain dumb.

There are those who are adding body parts to a new Camaro and calling it a Firebird and others who are installing body kits to resemble older model Vettes; both of which look and are dopey.

 

[Budnicks]

We all know that Daytonas & Superbirds were built for a purpose; to win Nascar. That bastardized Challenger car has no race purpose whatsoever and converting a new Dodge Challenger into a modern incarnation of a Plymouth Superbird is just plain dumb.

There are those who are adding body parts to a new Camaro and calling it a Firebird and others who are installing body kits to resemble older model Vettes; both of which look and are dopey.

yep, I actually like the white with a blue stipe that looks sort of like a 70-73 "new" Trans Am version better than the new fugly a$$ Camaro

 

[Lazarus]

I really like some things about many of those cars. Most just seem like they tried to hard. I do like Kevin Morgan's White Trans Am and Black Firebird though.

 

[super-bee_ski]

when the originals of the Superbirds & Daytonas came out, I loved them, But I was an 10-11 y/o too, but we only had like 1 or 2 of each in all of the Concord, Pleasant Hill, Walnut Creek, Antioch, Pittsburg, Martinez, Lafayette, Ca. East Bay area thou.... I know I always looked for them... I remember my step dad Bob hated them, he was a die hard car guy & Mopar guy too... He likes them now, it's like allot of the old hatters, it's a nostalgia thing, an old race car history/prowess thing, now more than anything today... they really weren't liked all that much originally or they would have sold so much more of them.... I think we have an era now, with cool muscle/performance based cars, that will be the new muscle car era for future gearheads... VERY Soon absolutely nothing new, will be a performance oriented internal combustion engine equipped car, if our Fed. Govt. Libiots have anything to say about it, with all the new mileage &/or C.A.F.E. std.'s &/or C.A.R.B. &/or EPA std.'s, starting to go down that road again like we did in 1972... my $0.02 cents

RIGHT ON:

As did the short lived Muscle car era come to an end, I believe, as you do Budnicks that this sudden resurgence will cease.
This "wave" began in 2007 (My opinion, with the GT500)
We are seeing Dodge exit NASCAR, FORD exit NHRA....
CAFE standards and CARB's goal of ZERO emissions is becoming a reality and on the Horizion.

So, should we be buying the Dodge Charger SRT OR slightly less expensive brother the Superbee?

 

[Budnicks]

yeah I agree Ski, I think it really stated 1st with the Dodge V-10 & Lightning SC Ford muscle trucks & probably the biggest thing steering it was, the 2004 retro Mustang styling... IMHFO it brought back so many old styling ques, that Chevy {other than Vette's} & Dodge/SRT with some 4dr Chargers, certain 300c's, Magnum Wagons & Rumble-Bee/Daytona muscle trucks, had to get into that part of the market share & it went off.... The chit box type tuner crowd kind of made it happen... the Muscle car/Pony car people were left out, before that era...I can say it has been a good thing for the youth of today... They can see how we got hooked on cars, people like me in the mid 60's - about 1972, looking over dads shoulders... Long before the fed. govt. reg.s shut down 99% of performance cars, because of new unleaded gas, catalytic converters & new federally mandated smog equipment, all over the USA instead of just in Calif.... It killed off 99% or most of the muscle car & performance oriented cars in Detroit... Detroit took a major hit because of it... They basically just turned out a bunch of crappy cookie cutter chit boxes, instead of cars for enthusiasts... It only took some 30 years to "somewhat" mass produce them again, even if they are more of the pony car variety, than the old bare bones muscle cars of the 60's... We have N/A 4 bangers that make as much HP as the old mid-late 70's V-8's... The 60's muscle car era gave us the engineering or Research & Developments into, the cylinder heads flow & efficiency, our solid & hyd. roller camshafts, EFI fuel &/or computer management systems, turbo & superchargers, that have mad it all possible today...

 

[Lowhound]

I think all the car makers need to quit trying to re-live their glory days by bringing back or attempting to anyway, cars from the past. Our cars are remembered for being ahead of their time when produced, not going back in time like the automakers are attempting. Come up with some new ideas for the present time is all Im trying to say. I want to remember the Daytonas, Superbirds, Gto's, Mustangs ect. for their historic presence back in the day.

 

[Bruzilla]

Whenever a story is written about winged cars, there's always the obligatory mentioning that some of these cars languished on dealership lots for long periods of time, which is correct but only in a limited context. Most of the cars sold quickly, but we rarely hear about those, just the few that didn't sell. And of the no-sell cars, there's never any mention how a lot of these cars didn't sell because dealers kept them for their own personal cars and later sold them on the secondary market, or some dealers, like St. Augustine Chrysler-Plymouth, found the cars brought in so much walk-up traffic they kept their cars in the showrooms for decades (SACP's 440-6 Tor Red Bird was in their showroom window until the 1990s).

I got to work with the head of the Mustang production line in 2001. He was a naval reservist and I worked with him over at Kadena, Okinawa while he was doing his two week ACDUTRA period. He told me a lot about how the falling sales of Mustangs had been attributed to prices, fuel costs, demand for trucks, poor economy, etc., but when they quit talking to industry analysts and started talking to owners they found the problem was actually that the Mustang had stopped looking like a Mustang, which was why Ford decided to start redesigning the model to look like the most popular car with Mustang owners, the 69-70 cars. He also told me there had been a near disaster in 1986/87 when plans were underway to redesign the Mustang as a FWD car, and the owners revolted. Ford decided to continue the Fox body cars, but rather than scrap the new Mustang design, they decided to rename in the Probe. Can you imagine how Mustang enthusiasts would have reacted if the Probe had been the new Mustang?

I was working for Ford in 2004 when the redesigned Mustangs I had heard about in 2001 came out, and the response was like nothing anyone had ever seen before. Every 2005 Mustang to be delivered for the first six months was pre-sold, and that was at full MSRP and with a 25% dealer premium for base cars and 45% premium for GTs added on! We were selling GTs with an MSRP of $26,000 or so for close to $40,000 and people were going on waiting lists to buy them. We couldn't even get a hold of floor models and ended up having to rent a base and GT from customers just to keep a car on the floor.

Meanwhile over at GM, they had decided there was no more market for high-performance cars back in 2001, and quit production of the Camaro in 2002 while Ford was redesigning the Mustang. GM cut their dead wood loose, and managed to do it in a way that screwed over the UAW and made them look bad to the rank & file, so it was a win-win for GM. But then came 2004/2005, and the new Mustangs gave them the Oh Crap moment that drove them to start plans to reintroduce the Camaro with a late-60s design. Rather than wait for a design to be developed like Chevy was doing, Chrysler just took the next car coming through the design process and slap a retro name to it, Charger, which is why the next-gen Chargers didn't look anything like an old Charger and had four doors. It wasn't until the first redesign that we saw the car start to look like a Charger, but they did learn their lesson and do the Challenger right. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the Dart II production office. It seems like the lesson they learned was you can get oldsters to buy a generic sedan by slapping a retro name on it, so why not try the same thing with a low-end compact? Throw in a Ford Focus-inspired youth marketing scheme, and voila! I guess their plan isn't going to well.

The problem with having a trend-setting success like the 2005 Mustang is the people who brought it about get promoted to other jobs or hired away to other companies, and are replaced by new folks who want to put their own mark on things... enter the upcoming mess known as the 2015 Mustang. It's a FWD car that looks like someone took a mid-90s Celica and put early 60s Mustang lines on the door panel. Anyone think it's going to be a doorbuster like the 2005 models? Maybe the guys who thought it was a great design, but I doubt many Mustang fans will. It looks like the automakers are going to be living through the old adage of "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" once again.

 

[Lazarus]

I like the tribute cars personally, when there is actually a form of tribute to the styling. Not like they did the Dart. But I am all for the modern performance muscle being added to new cars now, and a taillight in the same basic shape or a fender indent and scoop similar to the old is just a nod to what was done then IMO.