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Thoughts on Europe...

pabster

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Howdy all!

Some of you may have noticed that I stopped posting for weeks on end. The reason was I went with my family to the Old Country... southern Italy. We went to get my infant son baptized and to introduce him to my wife's extended family out there.

Every time I go over there, I wonder "Could I live here?" Maybe it's because I was born and raised in the states, and I've traveled quite a bit in my life... but I always compare everything to what I have at home.

For those of you who haven't been to Europe or haven't stayed outside of hotels over there, I want to throw out a few observations I made.

- Almost all cars over there are offered with a diesel engine. We rented a car which I drove extensively (more on the Italian roads in a minute) It was a Ford C-Max. Sort of a large 4 door hatchback/wagon. It had a six speed manual tranny which ROCKED, and a 1.6L diesel engine that was plenty peppy. When I say peppy, I mean I was able to pass cars on two lane roads that were going 70mph, and I punched the throttle and shot right past them. Gotta say, I'm not a big fan of Fords, but this car was great for trucking the family around on Italian roads. That being said, I missed my Charger. A lot.

- OK, the roads. Everything in Europe is SMALLER than here. A lot smaller. Population density is higher, buildings are way older, roads are way narrower. Lots of roundabouts. Lots of passing. Insane tailgating. But I saw very little road rage, and in general, drivers were surprisingly competent if not good, as long as I followed the simple rule of always driving offensively. When in doubt, hit the gas. One pet peeve I have about American drivers is the sitting in the fast lane and refusing to move over... this never happens in Italy. If you're going 150mph and a car flashes it's brights a mile out, you move over.

- Prices of stuff over there would blow your mind. Not only is everything more expensive, but it seems like companies routinely screw consumers over, and everyone just sort of puts up with it. Imagine everything at your grocery store doubling in price while the amount is cut up to a half. Beer would be a great example. I'm a pretty avid beer drinker, and as much as the wine over there was great, I wanted ice cold brews to take off the edge of traveling with 2 little kids. Get this- they sell bottles of beer in 3 PACKS. I'm not kidding you. And if you buy more, as in a case, the price per beer is the same. About a dollar a beer. In a supermarket. The price of gas is about 6-8 dollars a gallon, diesel slightly cheaper.

- Getting stuff done. OK, this is probably the biggest one. Good luck getting anything done over there. You want to get a birth certificate, or set up trash service, or something to do with bureaucracy? You would not believe how inefficient, and unhelpful people are when it comes to getting things like the above done. If you need to do something, most likely a person in a office will say that the guy who deals with whatever it is is on vacation, or sick, and they can't help you, that it is impossible. As an American who has grown used to a notion of customer service, and getting lots of stuff done, I couldn't believe that the society hadn't fallen into anarchy considering how inefficient the systems in place were.

- Last but not least, where I was the tap water was suspect. People told me not to drink from the tap. And the tap water was shut off from 12p-3p every day. This is in Italy, the 8th largest economy in the world. When I got home, I did some digging, and found that the Camorra, the mafia in Campania, regularly dumps industrial and toxic waste all over the place, making tons of money by charging less than others for waste disposal. This waste then contaminates the groundwater, and therefore makes the tap water unsafe to drink. :eek:

- OK, finally the good. The food is amazing. The pizza is the best in the world. The buffalo mozzarella is life changing. The wine is awesome, and actually cheap. The gelato is the best ice cream I've ever had. The beaches are pretty clean, the water clear and great to swim in. The kindness of most people, the time they take to tell a story, to have an animated conversation. So there's plenty of things to like about Italy.

So keep in mind, the above observations are only based on the state of Campania in Italy- not all of Europe is like this, although the diesel cars and the insane cost of living is pretty universal. But the point of this post is just to throw out a perspective, and give anyone reading this a moment of pause. Keep in mind that although the USA has it's problems, I can say from experience that we are VERY lucky to live here. People work hard here for the most part, and the system works too. Not all the time, and not for everyone, but hey- you're not going to get any better that this great country of ours. So if politics, or the economy, or whatever it is is getting you down, take a look at where you live, go fill up a glass with water from the tap, buy a case of beer for less than 20 bucks, smile at your awesome Mopar Machine, and give thanks for the United States of America.

Thanks for reading, it's good to be back.
 
Just like my 83 year old paw in law says. Sounds like Europe sucks. No offense.
 
None taken. Gotta say, compared to here it does kinda suck.
 
been there a few times and ya most of it does kinda suck.almost seems like everything is moving in slow motion.except the cars.stay in a socialist country for a while and you will love the usa beyond compare.(my wife still freeks out every time someone calls an american a socialist.she will screem at them"you have no idea what that is!")big government sucks,but we can still drink from the tap thanx to them,lol.that should be a political slogan.
 
been there a few times and ya most of it does kinda suck.almost seems like everything is moving in slow motion.except the cars.stay in a socialist country for a while and you will love the usa beyond compare.(my wife still freeks out every time someone calls an american a socialist.she will screem at them"you have no idea what that is!")big government sucks,but we can still drink from the tap thanx to them,lol.that should be a political slogan.

Can your wife please call Obama...............
 
:VB toast::icon_thumleft::euro_pimp::hungry::beerchug:glad to see ya back when ever you leave the states you hear dont drink the water :headbang:
 
I spent a lot of time in Sicily, and know of what you speak quite well. :) I used to have a Misc. line item in my travel budget to cover the Getting things done item you mentioned. It was usually $1,000. It wasn't for airline costs, or ground transport costs, it was for bribes. When we landed in Catania, we could get our bags okay, but boxes of training materials (just books) had to wait in "customs" for "inspections". They would sit there for months... or... you could give $300 or so to the customs guy and get them out immediately. Every official function over there had to be "expedited" with a bribe to get anything done.

As for prices, you need to remember the exchange rate. I always wondered how foreigners could afford to live until I learned that what we pay isn't what they pay. My $200 in US money could have the buying power of $50 depending on the exchange rate, so a lot of things only seemed expensive because I was losing most of my buying power by exchanging currencies.

One of things I found interesting in Sicily were the Vigilantes. These guys were essentially a sanctioned second police force run by the Mafia. They had marked police cars, motorcycles, etc., that said Vigilante. Unlike the police, you paid for their services, and if something were ever stolen from you, they didn't go arrest the guy who took it. They went out, found the guy who took it, got it back for you, and the thief usually was never heard from again. As the locals told us, you get your property back, maybe with some blood on it, but you get it back. :) Property insurance rates were real low for Vigilante customers. ;)

The issue we found with driving was never make eye contact at intersections as making eye contact is legally viewed as you giving the right of way to the other driver.

Sicily had the same deal with water. Boil it or drink bottled water, but never drink from the tap.
 
Welcome back fellow NOR CALIIAN! Glad you had fun congrats on the baptism. America rules!
 
Hey-Hey! welcome back! glad you got to see the motherland and are back in one piece!
 
Spent a year and a half in Germany back in the early 70's and still miss the autobahn lol. And it takes a lot of money to make that socialized gooberment work and is one of the reasons fuel is so high. Even back in the 70's, people there barely kept their homes warm during the winter because it was too expensive. I learned pretty quickly to take good warm clothing when traveling in the winter time because a gasthaus wasn't exactly heated very much lol. Spent a lot of time along the Mosel River and stayed away from the tourist traps....man, some beautiful country but I was sure glad to come home.
 
there all lying we`ve been looking at posters and on milk cartons trying to find you :headbang::headbang::headbang:
 
I'd move there in a minute, Canada has no real history to speak of and travelling thru Europe is simply Stunning, I drove thru Holland from top to bottom into Bellgium then into Germany across to Frankfurt and South thru Bavaria into Austria. 16 days, and you cant make a bad turn anywhere. Stunning views Nice people, Fast Roads and people who actually know how to drive.
Food was excellent All the areas I stopped in are absolutly clean and very well kept.
Just an amazing trip.
Sure the Taxes are higher there and the fuel is expensive But when you consider the education system and the health care, alone with a Working infastructure.
It wouldnt be a bad place to live.


Ron
 
Welcome back - we did a whole "FBI Most Wanted" thread (well, FBBO) about you while you were gone.

And now you've proven that damned libs can leave America and still love it when they get back. :headbang: :sFl_america2:
 
Welcome back Pabster, I was wondering where you went ??
 
As fun as it was, there's nothing like getting back to home! America and your house.. Oops, sorry, and "the" Charger! Ive never been out of the country but im sure, i would be thrilled at seeing our great land once back. Welcome home and welcome back to Mopar land Pabster!
 
welcome back pabster...i have Guido, Joseppe, Sal, and Willy the snake and one eyed Larry here lookin for ya! They keep saying over and over..." HE SHOULDNTA OUGHTA DUNN DAT "....and "MR BIG AINT GONNA LIKE DIS "...what the hell are they talkin about and what did you do to the virgin Mary statue whilst you were over there ?

GLAD YOURE BACK...it hasnt been the same without ya!
 
What about the women?

Welcome back Pabster! What I remember from my trip over there was how much more elegant the women were!! I didn't read it in your report. Am I remembering things wrong?
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I love Europe, but would not want to live there - again. I lived in Germany for 2.5 years while in the service. I had great duty and lived directly in a small community the entire time with limited contact with military bases / posts. Lived most of the time in civilian housing, shopped locally, partied locally, most of my friends were German, and eventually married a local girl - who I am still with to this day. I learned to speak German out of necessity and became very much a part of the community. However, after a few years I just had to return to the US. We have gone back countless times over the decades to visit and I have enjoyed every return trip. While there was much to love about the country and Europe in general, it is not the US. The lack of freedom is very evident in all aspects of life. This is not to say that Europe is not free, it is just the degrees in which the government imposes on your life. Taxes are very high and the government over regulation and it pays for is everywhere. Germany gave me my first hand exposures to socialized medicine and believe me it is not good. I could see decades ago the slipery slope that Europe was on with its trend into socialism. We watched and talked about it for the past 35 years as it all headed towards the mess that has unfolded today. Fortunately Germany had a couple of good systemic "structures" built in to its culture that has helped it more than the rest of Europe. The German people are quite "frugal" and the apprenticship education system has helped it retain some degree of jobs for people. The country also regained some sense a few years back and started pulling itself back away from many socialist systems.
In short I love the country, love the food, love the beer, I am always intrigued at the ancient history of the land. They have many good systems that we should adopt (try suing someone over there for spilled coffee burns or self inflicted injuries), a pay as you go culture and for the native Germans, a true pride in their country and culture. While the Germans are beginning to realize that the socialist system they embarked on 40 years ago did not work and are trying to step back from the brink, our country seems to be running full speed towards everything we see that didn't work in Europe.
 
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