Please help, lifter rattle won't go away

[747mopar]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-822-16/applications/make/dodge?prefilter=1 O.K this is what I'm referring to when I say they are the same (or at least according to Comp). Remember I have Comp lifters so I kinda have to go by what they list they're lifters are for. The first engine you'll see these lifters are for is the 273, scroll all the way to the bottom and you'll see the 400 which I have. These are the lifters I have and as you can see according to this they do fit all or at least they advertise it. No apology needed for hijacking my thread, we all learn a little from it all so feel free to have at it. Thanks for the input, I'll likely not get around to pulling the rest of them until the weakend.

 

[69a100]

Hey 747- I've been doing some diggin as well. Comp has 2 different lifters, note the seat height for both lifters here. The 822 and the 824. http://www.compperformancegroupstor...=CTGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=BBCHRHFTLFT

http://www.compperformancegroupstor...Product_Code=824-16&Category_Code=BBCHRHFTLFT

Now look at the different lenght pushrods for the same here. http://www.compperformancegroupstor...TGY&Store_Code=CC&Category_Code=WedgePushrods

This may be the problem you and my brother are having. If you don't know what you have in there for pushrods, I think a phone call is in order. A shop did my brothers even though he supplied the parts, he's looking through his paperwork for his answer if he has the right ones or not. Good Luck

 

[RustyRatRod]

I feel like I'm talking to a rock. I just caint make it any plainer. I don't care who says what. And yes, I'm saying I know more than Comp if they say big and small block lifters are the same, or if they say there's no early or late big block lifters and pushrods, because there are. I don't know how much plainer to say it. Comp is WRONG. I even have a friend who ordered a Direct Connection cam and lifter set (before it was Mopar Performance) for a small block years ago. They slipped up and put big block lifters in the set. He always had lifter noise. He finally got tired of it and took it apart and looked closely and found the trouble. Got small block lifters and everything was fine. The problem is that these companies all suck chebbie dick so much they don't know anything about anything else. I wouldn't be here on this arguing with you wasting my breath if I didn't KNOW this is the case. I'm trying to help you. Do I know this is your problem? No, but I am telling you what I do know. I wish you luck with it. I don't know what else to say to make you believe me.

 

[Someotherguy]

you can lead a horse to water.............

 

[69a100]

I hope your not refering to what I posted about different seat heights in lifters as well as different lenght pushrods? Just trying to help clarifing some things which I'd like to think that's what you were talking about? Just posting data from the horses mouth and not a 3rd party site like 747.

 

[RustyRatRod]

No, not at all. Just that I keep trying to make the point there are differences and it doesn't seem to be sinking in. .....and I'm not sure that's even the problem. I simply want to let yall know that's something to look out for. He seems to be saying the lifters are not pumping up. I don't think that's because they are the wrong lifters......but since there's more than ONE possible lifter (and pushrod), I wanted to throw that in the mix.

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I hope your not refering to what I posted about different seat heights in lifters as well as different lenght pushrods? Just trying to help clarifing some things which I'd like to think that's what you were talking about? Just posting data from the horses mouth and not a 3rd party site like 747.

No sir. You posted information that backs up what I am trying to get across. Thanks.

 

[69a100]

I think my clue light came on here, lol. Then I'm guessing here that even though the 822's say they fit small and big blocks, and the 824's are strickly for big's that you'd be better off going with the 824's vs. the 822's and go with the recommended pushrod for them of course? Make sense to me.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Something that throws even MORE confusion into the mix........you see where there's a listing for a MoPar and AMC lifter? Those are oil through lifters and actually for the AMC application. You can use them in any small block but their main purpose is for when you use Magnum heads and have to have oil through the pushrods. Those lifters supply it. As if we needed another lifter in the mix. lol

 

[cr8crshr]

Parts Ordered...I ain't got the correct push rods for my application. Took me awhile to figure it out too but that is the only answer I can come up with. Rusty thanks for all the input and help here as this is definitely something to keep mindful of when we are building up these engines. Thanks also to Brother Jon/69A100 for helping out too. He wants the car out of his garage...cr8crshr/Tuck

 

[69a100]

Parts Ordered...I ain't got the correct push rods for my application. Thanks also to Brother Jon/69A100 for helping out too. He wants the car out of his garage...cr8crshr/Tuck

Remember, you said that and not me but your right, LOL! Sorry to hear you have to spend more again on this, but like I said in another topic that you've replaced everything else, why not. Let's just hope we get this nipped in the butt this time?! God knows we've troubleshot this motor thing to death.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Ummm.......I mightta had the pushrods you need. I got two sets and I don't think I can use either. lol

 

[747mopar]

I feel like I'm talking to a rock. I just caint make it any plainer. I don't care who says what. And yes, I'm saying I know more than Comp if they say big and small block lifters are the same, or if they say there's no early or late big block lifters and pushrods, because there are. I don't know how much plainer to say it. Comp is WRONG. I even have a friend who ordered a Direct Connection cam and lifter set (before it was Mopar Performance) for a small block years ago. They slipped up and put big block lifters in the set. He always had lifter noise. He finally got tired of it and took it apart and looked closely and found the trouble. Got small block lifters and everything was fine. The problem is that these companies all suck chebbie dick so much they don't know anything about anything else. I wouldn't be here on this arguing with you wasting my breath if I didn't KNOW this is the case. I'm trying to help you. Do I know this is your problem? No, but I am telling you what I do know. I wish you luck with it. I don't know what else to say to make you believe me.

Dammit Rusty, I'm not arguing with you nor am I saying that what your saying is false, I'm simply saying that the lifters I have "comp shows are for both bb & sb" that's it, does it make it true "no". And as far as the different lifters (pre 68) being a different length requiring different length pushrods "I got that the first time you said it" but it doesn't apply because I don't have those lifters besides I used an adjustable pushrod to check my pushrod length and then ordered the correct length one (giving about one thread under the lifter). I'm not a horse nor do I need led "I got it the first time". By the way comp clearly shows the two different style lifters (look at the pic I posted) one is supposedly for the later sb&bb and the other is the one that goes to the earlier bb, it was just the tech guy that said that "worthless". Alright I want to make something clear, I really truly appreciate the help you have givin and always do but man you really get worked up over nothing, nobody is doubting you, you seam to know what your talking about and this is the main reason I joined this sight "to pick your brains" I'm new to mopars and this sight has been a huge help. Now, what do you think of Roads Lifters, they are American made and claim to have a variable lifter height or whatever they call it, supposedly they bleed down a little at low rpm's for better torque and pump up at high rpm's. Sounds good but is it?

 

[RustyRatRod]

I REALLY like the Rhoads VMax lifters. They are flippin badass. Read up on them. They adjust off the bottom. You can actually make a big difference in duration with them. You use feeler gauges to adjust them. Go on the Rhoads site and read about them. They are the VMax lifters, not the regular Rhoads. You can even run them bad boys on solid cams.

...and I wasnt worked up bad. I was just upset that I might not have got my point across and might not have helped you like I was trying to.

Here they are. And you need to get the kind with the full oil groove down the side. That splatters extra oil all over the lobes.

http://www.rhoadslifters.com/Pages/VFlatTappet.html

 

[747mopar]

At this point, Comp wants me to send them back for them to look at, shipping cost, waiting and if it is the lifters and there are that many bad ones I don't want anymore anyways. So once I check a few more things I'll likely eat the $90.00 and order a set of American made ones "like I thought I was in the first place". I'll check into the Vmax that you mentioned. I first want to be sure it isn't a oiling issue, what's the best way to do that, I believe my oil pressure gauge is at the back of the driver side lifter feed and is showing 75 psi. I thought about pulling the lifters and looking in the bore while someone cranks it over but that would only show that it is getting it not if there is pressure.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Get the distributor out and get a priming tool and spin the oil pump with a drill. If it gets oil to the rockers, it's gettin it to the lifters. You may need to spin the engine over to align the cam bearing holes enough to get oil to the top.

 

[747mopar]

Get the distributor out and get a priming tool and spin the oil pump with a drill. If it gets oil to the rockers, it's gettin it to the lifters. You may need to spin the engine over to align the cam bearing holes enough to get oil to the top.

If that's the case then I already know they are (I did that before I fired it and oil went everywhere). Thanks

 

[RustyRatRod]

Then the lifters are gettin skeeted. They get it first, then the top.

 

[cdr]

if you get the vmax lifter you might need longer pushrods,because the adjust from the bottom of the plunger travel.

 

[RustyRatRod]

All Rhoads says they require is an adjustable valvetrain.

 

[cdr]

thats true but if the adjuster is down to far it can & will break,or break the rocker !