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Ever increasing threat of home invasion, so I bought:

oldbee said:
And then comes the other problem, namely if you can’t buy a rifle at 18, how can you be in the military and shoot one; but not buy one? It all just goes round&round .
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In the Military, it's under controlled conditions for the warriors, plus they have been Professionally trained and certified! The freak on the street hasn't, they probably don't even know at least 12 different parts to a weapon. There's a vastly huge difference between the two conditions.
 
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Tyrone Lee. Scum.
Good girls! This is after they shot him in the leg.
 
After Vegas got shot up, the GSR aka. Sierra Grand Resort pulled the plug on a show they held there. They moved it to the Convention Ctr. and now have to pay to park. The Bat Rastards!
 
Just bought this it should be here Thursday not much for home defence but one hell of a plinker ! I might order a can for it .
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Sorry for those that don't know what it is ....
It's a ruger mark 4 lite 22/45
.22 cal ! With a threaded barrel for a can!
Got it brand new $399
I wanted one when they came out but they were $550+ all day !
 
Bunch of protesters at the gun show at the Lake county Indiana fairgrounds this weekend. Gave me a good laugh, that was the most packed I ever seen the show. The line to get in flower out to the Main Street where all 15 of the protesters were standing.
 
hanks73340,


I think you have a rational view and I would like to use your statement as a baseline for my own, but highlight some differences and have a discussion accordingly. Please think of the history of cigarette/smoking bans as a precedent for giving up inches in "reasonable" compromise until you see you are miles away.

To Quote your post:

"My wife and I have 4 guns and are very proficient in the use of them. Have been responsible owners for many years. Do not own any semi or automatic long guns, no need to. We both agree that there is a need to improve the gun laws of ownership."
A fair statement and rational one at that. Existing gun laws deserve a look. Moreover, the ENFORCEMENT of existing laws and penalties for breaking them need to be examined.

1. Definitely raise the age of purchasing a weapon to 21, Federal and state.
This is a matter of opinion. Maturity and environment have much more to do with this than calendar age. That's hard to legislate, and always seems to fall to the lowest common denominator, which only penalizes the majority of those who would not have issue.

2. Have been certified by the state and federal schools completing of using a fire arm.
I do not disagree. I am, however, cautious about letting an arbitrary group set the bar, as is painfully exemplified by the subjective nature of CCW issuance in California. My county's Sheriff thinks no one should have one and claims no one presents "good cause" (subjective) and therefore does not issue them. Two neighboring counties hand them out for self-defense. I do not want my ownership subject to someones opinion. DANGEROUS territory.

3. A more thorough background check which includes medical records being checked to see if any medications are being used for any anxiety or depression issues etc. I know this may piss off many because they may feel its invading on their privacy. Personally I don't have a problem with it.
I agree. Mental stability is key here.

4. I think we can do without the Bump Stocks.
I personally have no use for them, but a killer they do not make. This is a step down the slippery slope. Just like smokers getting segregated in a restaurant, then isolated to the bar area, then the patio, then outside, then 25 feet away, then not in parks or public places, then not even in bars... An unsteady person needs to be cut off at the pass all the way back a possession of the firearm. Accessories are really irrelevant. Magazine capacity is irrelevant. Caliber is irrelevant. Once a shooter is active in an environment where he will not be countered, he has ALL the advantage.


5. Each year a person must be re-certified just like license tabs. The money can be used for classes to teach anyone on gun safety.
Not bad in concept, but can easily be manipulated out of control. Raise the fees, arbitrary criteria. CA tries this all the time with attempts at $1000 licenses and taxes as indirect gun control.

6. I know its costly, but schools might want to consider installing the double door security system. You walk in through the first door and it locks if it detects any metal. The next door which is 4 feet before the person also locks at the same time trapping the individual until security personnel or police show up. The glass is also bullet proof.
I fully agree. Proactive steps. Treat it like a bank. Why protect money better than our kids? Remember, Sandy hook had similar controlled entry that was easily defeated. This has to be secure.

I am sure there may be more ideas out there, but I definitely do not want our government to step in and mandate laws that they see will be effective. We know how that will turn out. The NRA is also gonna have to bend a little but I am a firm believer of the 2nd amendment. Just don't want George Orwell's 1984 philosophy that Government is best for the People. Yeah....right[/QUOTE]

Ground that is given up will never be regained, and the "middle ground" will split the remaining difference. As far as the 2nd is concerned, we are so far from where we were 50 years ago that we cant even fathom that level of freedom. Think pre-machine gun registration, (not the '86 ban). You could mail order them from catalogs and no one was mowing down schools.

What changed? It isn't better/more deadly guns. It isn't more access. The penalties have fallen (execution rate is dismal and sentences for repeat offenders are a joke). The ability for us to "lose" at anything and learn from it. Kids need to fail, not like it, and try harder. Social media didn't exist 20 years ago. We had friends, we had acquaintances, and we had family. Our friends cared about us, we could fight, and get over it. My FB account says I have 127 friends. No, I have 127 people that I knew at one point and wanted to see what they were up to. I have 3 friends. 124 people have no effect on me. Look at this board... We often have conversations that are WAY more aggressive and personally degrading than we would if we knew each other personally. We have lost the art of manners and any sense of empathy behind the shield of your monitors.

I hate the term "Big Pharma", and I am a huge proponent of personal responsibility. Being hyper is now ADHD and medicated. Stress? Medicate. Anxious? Medicate. Depressed? Medicate. People have been told that they can make their life better if they medicate. They didn't change their life, just their perception. If you alter your perception, have you not altered your judgement? Mood/Mind altering drugs are not compatible with sound judgement. Stress and struggle IS life.

This is also one of the strongest links between ALL of the recent large scale shootings.

We have all heard the same lines...
One more law would not stop someone committed to break so many. (Murder is already illegal. The rest is useless)
Ban texting and driving and save 10 kids a day. (already illegal, soooo....)
Why do we blame cops for killing "innocent people" (usually someone in the perceived act of a crime, but no yet tried, so not technically "guilty"), but guns when mass shooters do it?

Stop the feel-good "common sense" and focus on the people doing the crime. The CRIMINAL. The one who is intent on harming others. The one who may harm me or you. What good does disarming yourself do if the criminal remains unaffected. Don't give me the "easy access" BS answer either. Access has gotten tighter for 50 years (87 if you go back to NFA), and this epidemic is recent.

I am not willing to give up ANYTHING more. It is all useless pandering to a group that will not be happy until they get all of them..
 
My wife came home from the elementary school where she works today and was livid at the fact that they were parading around a bunch of 5 year olds and showing them where to hide, and what rooms they were allowed to hide in, what doors to hide behind. She said when it happens a 5 year old is going to run around like a chicken anyway and get shot. She said all this is going to do is make them worry. Yeah double doors are fine. Her school is permanently locked and has big fences around it to keep people out. The police stay outside, and have since I can remember, at start and end. Some other solution has to exist. I like the double door one with metal detectors, but think that is what our society comes to. Protective. Something is wrong with the people now and the younger generation cannot keep with the responsibility that we have been able to uphold.
 
Jcharger said:
...Something is wrong with the people now and the younger generation cannot keep with the responsibility that we have been able to uphold.
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You made my point perfectly. To condense your quote: [There is] something wrong with people. Younger generation can't keep (cope) with responsibility."
...it's because they've been STRIPPED of it! Nothing is their fault. They are always a victim - of a bully, of a condition, of something. Keep score, let them lose, dislike it, and try harder next time. Make them do chores, then reward them. You want something? Earn it. Save for it. Gifts are fine, but work ethic and responsibility are learned behaviors. Bully behavior is crated by lack of consequence.

Back on topic: I will enforce consequences upon those who intend to harm me or my family, and I do not care what drove the to do it. What those consequences are will only be revealed to the fool who dares to try to make me a victim.
 
That was part of it. The other part was that the kids now do not have the responsibility to deal with the gun laws we have. We now have a responsibility to fix it and that likely means fixing and enforcing the laws. 5 year olds don't need to think about being shot. They will be ineffective at protecting themselves and we don't have people who can stand up to the sicko's with the assault weapons.
 
I agree. This should not fall on them. This on us to stop sickos.
Banning a type of gun will not take it out of existence and truthfully, a 12 gauge pump and a bag of 00 buck shells is likely a far more destructive weapon in that type of non-contested situation. No one is going to be able (willing) to charge the shooter in the few seconds it takes to slip a few more shells in the tube, especially if he is controlled enough to never go until fully dry. No magic mythical reload delay the anti high cap mag guys preach about.

This cant be solved with more laws. People are broken. I protect my kids from the unnecessary drama as long as possible. No social media. No email. No cell phones. Period. Friends are welcome to come over and play. I listen to the news on the radio and they ask if they are curious. We watch videos on YouTube together. There is way too much out there that does not need to be brought into my home or their lives. They are not ignorant, but they will be protected until they are less vulnerable.
 
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