eddy victor max heads

[moparsquid]

hi maybe some one here is having the same problems i have this is the second time having valve stem keeper problems and retainers hitting the rockers

 

[moparsquid]

here are pics

 

[moparsquid]

im thinking lash caps might help?

 

[B3RE]

Start researching Mopar rocker geometry. Lash caps may keep the rocker from contacting the retainer, but will make the true geometry worse, and that is the root of the problem here. From the damage I see, you are lucky you haven't dropped a valve yet. The thing about luck is, it always runs out. Take care of the geometry, and avoid a major failure.

 

[B3RE]

Also, don't buy any new parts until you have a plan to fix the geometry. There are options that will save you a lot of headaches and money in the long run.

 

[IQ52]

Start researching Mopar rocker geometry. Lash caps may keep the rocker from contacting the retainer, but will make the true geometry worse, and that is the root of the problem here. From the damage I see, you are lucky you haven't dropped a valve yet. The thing about luck is, it always runs out. Take care of the geometry, and avoid a major failure.

Oh I wish I had this knowledge 13-14 years ago when I first ran the Edelbrock Victor cylinder heads.

http://www.b3racingengines.com/techcorner.asp

 

[moparsquid]

Start researching Mopar rocker geometry. Lash caps may keep the rocker from contacting the retainer, but will make the true geometry worse, and that is the root of the problem here. From the damage I see, you are lucky you haven't dropped a valve yet. The thing about luck is, it always runs out. Take care of the geometry, and avoid a major failure.

unfortunately when i got the motor from the builder the first time it dropped 3 valves and busted 3 pistons

 

[B3RE]

unfortunately when i got the motor from the builder the first time it dropped 3 valves and busted 3 pistons

Ouch!

 

[PRHeads]

For heads that are supposed to be “race” parts, those have a pretty short nominal installed height(1.900-ish).
If someone is looking for more installed height and employing parts like taller installed height retainers and/or locks, you can end up with a situation like you have there.

Might be time to rethink the current spring/retainer/lock combo so you end up with the valve tips sitting more proud of the retainers.

Those are some of the items that need to be carefully scrutinized during the mock up and assembly process...... and hopefully avoid what happened with this build.

 

[33 IMP]

Are those T&D rockers, or PRW?

 

[B3RE]

Unfortunately, for being a "race" head, the shaft stands were not put in a reasonably close location to have good geometry, and no amount of fussing with the spring and retainer combination will change that. One only has to look at the Trick Flow heads to see how a relocated stand eliminates these issues with increased installed heights. Here are some pics of corrected Victors, before we had improved rockers available for them. In this instance, it was necessary to remove the stands and make new, which is no longer needed with the new rocker design.

 

[theman440]

Here is some good info for you -

http://www.b3racingengines.com/techcorner.asp

 

[Bluefish]

hi maybe some one here is having the same problems i have this is the second time having valve stem keeper problems and retainers hitting the rockers

I have been using these same heads without those issues. My install height is the same, but I used Harland Sharp rocker system in a 1.6/1.5 combo. 4 seasons now mostly street, but some track. Goes thru traps at 7100.

 

[Bluefish]

I have been using these same heads without those issues. My install height is the same, but I used Harland Sharp rocker system in a 1.6/1.5 combo. 4 seasons now mostly street, but some track. Goes thru traps at 7100.

Not perfect, but good enough for me.

 

[B3RE]

Not perfect, but good enough for me.

View attachment 1175921

What's not perfect about it?

 

[IQ52]

What's not perfect about it?

You dirty dog! My 500/440 made 848 HP @ 7,200 rpm way back when with the same rockers and the same lousy geometry. Still have all the same heads and short block. I wonder sometimes about putting it all back together and trying with the valve train correct this time.

 

[PRHeads]

Unfortunately, for being a "race" head, the shaft stands were not put in a reasonably close location to have good geometry, and no amount of fussing with the spring and retainer combination will change that.

Relocating the rocker shafts would not have solved the issue on the OP’s heads(using the parts they were assembled with) with the sides of the rocker, at the roller, contacting the retainer adjacent to the locks.

 

[B3RE]

You dirty dog! My 500/440 made 848 HP @ 7,200 rpm way back when with the same rockers and the same lousy geometry. Still have all the same heads and short block. I wonder sometimes about putting it all back together and trying with the valve train correct this time.

Hey Jim,
You make great power with everything you do, but even though you did it without things being perfect in the past, I suspect you wouldn't do it again without making sure it was right. You and I both know why the posted pic isn't perfect, but I wanted to see if the poster knew why it wasn't perfect. Anecdotal evidence isn't a good reason to encourage someone to do the wrong thing. Just trying to make it an educational moment, without beating anybody up, figuratively speaking.

 

[B3RE]

Relocating the rocker shafts would not have solved the issue on the OP’s heads(using the parts they were assembled with) with the sides of the rocker, at the roller, contacting the retainer adjacent to the locks.

View attachment 1176007

Maybe the OP can fill us in on whether the valve tips are actually below the top of the retainer/locks. It doesn't look like it to me, but the angles may be giving a different perspective.

 

[POMONAMISSEL]

well b3re and prheads , what heads would you guys recommend for a street / track b body with a max wedge intake , i have some ported stage 6 mw heads , not sure if there enough for a 540 build .