Opinions on the value of a car

[67 WS23]

Is there a substantial difference in present and future value on a car with a desirable VIN but wrong engine and a car with a more common VIN fitted with a desirable correct complete engine it wasn't born with? In each case the cars are represented honestly for what it is.

For example, a max hemi VIN car (1965) with a street wedge/hemi or a 440 vs. a V8 or I6 VIN car with a complete date coded max hemi engine, assuming the ask price on each car is similar and the cars' chassis are restored or a very good original.

Opinions?

 

[WileE]

My opinion ? There are many other factors that will dictate values, other than solely on the conditions you present.

 

[AR67GTX]

I don’t recall “Max” ever being applied to the Hemi engine. But if you have any 65 car with a Hemi VIN that appears original, then it is certainly valuable no matter what engine is in it now.

 

[WileE]

OP... your premise is somewhat confusing.

 

[fesser]

Pardon my ignorance...what is a "csr"?

 

[nitro_rat]

I would say a car with a Hemi VIN is intrinsically valuable no matter what the condition. In some cases a titled Hemi shell is worth more than a completed correctly restored less desirable of the same model car.

The value of a "correct" tribute car assembled with a Hemi is essentially the sum of its parts. It is not some how elevated in value just because of how it looks.

I would anticipate a Hemi 'Cuda assembled as a "correct" 383 car to be worth far more than a Barracuda Gran Coupe assembled as a "Hemi 'Cuda." Yank the Hemi out of the Gran Coupe and it's just a Barracuda shell. Of course the Hemi adds value because of its own intrinsic value. But it doesn't make the car it's installed in instantly have the value of a real Hemi car...

 

[67 WS23]

Pardon my ignorance...what is a "csr"?

It's the fat finger spelling of c-a-r.

 

[67 WS23]

I don’t recall “Max” ever being applied to the Hemi engine. But if you have any 65 car with a Hemi VIN that appears original, then it is certainly valuable no matter what engine is in it now.

I think the 65 cross ram hemi was called a 'hemicharger' engine, of which there were 2 versions. One for circuit racing and one for strip. Other Chrysler documentation refered to it as a 'maximum performance hemispherical head' engine, or a max hemi. It was a one year build (?) between the max wedges and 66 street hemi.

 

[RemCharger]

I think the term you're looking for is Race Hemi

 

[rickseeman]

I think the term you're looking for is Race Hemi

That's what I would call it.

 

[67 WS23]

OP... your premise is somewhat confusing.

Is it a good premise to say that since there were so few of these engines produced and even fewer VIN correct chassis, either special case would be somewhat close in value as time rolls on?

So, considering the special case VIN chassis and the special case engine, I would imagine at some time in the future the values should converge. Again, this would assume no more legit engines available at reasonable cost to be fitted in the special case VIN chassis.

 

[67 WS23]

I think the term you're looking for is Race Hemi

I agree that's today's term. Some historical documents from the period call it a hemicharger or a max hemi.

 

[rickseeman]

65 Race Hemi's (engines and cars) are scarce and desirable to some. Good cars (in the configuration you want) are hard to find and good engine parts.....well, some of them are nearly impossible to find.

 

[rickseeman]

I agree that's today's term. Some historical documents from the period call it a hemicharger or a max hemi.

I've heard it called a lot of things but never a max Hemi.

 

[1967coronet]

To me as far as #s go .
( Date code correct ) I think that is what the OP is talking about , does not mean crap.
Once the original engine is gone its gone.
Granted it will mess with the hemi and V code values more than the U codes ect. It's kind of like the term ( 70 % original paint )

 

[rickseeman]

If you are trying to value a car, tell us about it and we will give you an opinion.

 

[rickseeman]

To me as far as #s go .
( Date code correct ) I think that is what the OP is talking about , does not mean crap.
Once the original engine is gone its gone.
Granted it will mess with the hemi and V code values more than the U codes ect. It's kind of like the term ( 70 % original paint )

Trying to find a good block for a 65 would be another nightmare. Different people have different things that they like to see original on a car. For me, on a 65, it needs to be a Race Hemi block or it just doesn't look top quality.

 

[autoxcuda]

Is it a good premise to say that since there were so few of these engines produced and even fewer VIN correct chassis, either special case would be somewhat close in value as time rolls on?

So, considering the special case VIN chassis and the special case engine, I would imagine at some time in the future the values should converge. Again, this would assume no more legit engines available at reasonable cost to be fitted in the special case VIN chassis.

A real vin 65 hemi is an A990 car.

So you are comparing:

1) A accurate clone with race Hemi of an A990 restored

Versus

2) A real A990 body with real A990 data plate with just 440 4bbl on it. Restored correctly except motor

#2 is worth more and always will be. The motors are rare but not impossible to find parts for. More motor parts than bodies.

 

[nitro_rat]

Any car + Hemi = $ (tribute, value depends on quality of parts, restoration, taste, etc.)
Hemi car - Hemi = $$$$
Hemi car + any Hemi = $$$$$
Hemi car + date correct Hemi = $$$$$$
Hemi car + #'s matching Hemi = $$$$$$$$

 

[67 WS23]

A real vin 65 hemi is an A990 car.

So you are comparing:

1) A accurate clone with race Hemi of an A990 restored

Versus

2) A real A990 body with real A990 data plate with just 440 4bbl on it. Restored correctly except motor

#2 is worth more and always will be. The motors are rare but not impossible to find parts for. More motor parts than bodies.

Good discussion so far. Let's ratchet back a little from an A990 type case and apply the premise to a max wedge car, a street hemi car, or a high performance car situation.

My personal preference is as original as can be some 60 years after production. But realizing any original "high performance" Mopar car or even those engines are quite rare today, is it reasonable to predict that at some time not long from now (20 years?) the value of a rare car lacking the correct motor or the rare motor in another car will converge?