Screwed and Glued in Torque Boxes?

[65PlymSatellite]

Hey Everyone,
Just wondering if anyone has ever screwed and glued in Torque boxes? Was just looking at some build motivation, and I Came across this '65 Belvedere with torque boxes that dont appear to be welded in.

Anyone done this before? Can't imagine this was a good idea. Or maybe I'm just uninformed?

 

[kiwigtx]

Gorilla Grip?

It holds hair in place, so it should work fine.

 

[ckessel]

The PT Cruiser, Chevy HHR and some others use bonded on, not welded, quarter panels. Viper and some others have structural items bonded to their frames. Depends on what they used for bonding material. Try it and see or put some heat to it, melt the adhesive, clean off the residue from the areas, weld it. Me, I'd melt and weld. The old cars had nowhere near the structural strength, torsional rigidity, that later model stuff has.

 

[hunt2elk]

If it was mine, I would be welding them in.

 

[493 Mike]

Panel adhesive holds the steel scoop on the hood of my 65 but, is it strong enough to hold against the torque that the engine may develop or high-speed cornering could input into the chassis? I'm discounting the sheet metal screws!
Mike

 

[pnora]

If your not going to properly weld them in then why waste the time.

 

[Don Frelier]

Wow that car is clean underneath

 

[65PlymSatellite]

Car's nice, too.



1965 Plymouth Belvedere

 

[65PlymSatellite]

Gorilla Grip?

It holds hair in place, so it should work fine.

Good to know! No need to buy a welder!

 

[oldbee]

Good to know! No need to buy a welder!

Kiwi was talking sarcasm.

 

[j-c-c-62]

1. The screws are in case/when the glue fails, you don't have to stop the car and run back and to pick up the torque boxes in the road before another driver runs over them.

2. Be sure you use the right glue when you install your PVC subframe connectors

3. But to save weight don't forget any the glue on the outside the bonded joint increases strength very little.

4. And the most important reason heard here often, "what can it hurt?"

 

[68-500]

I not sure its a horrible idea. Panel bond is pretty tough stuff. If its not right up against an exhaust pipe, it will mostly hold until the cows come home.

 

[Kern Dog]

If your not going to properly weld them in then why waste the time.

I not sure its a horrible idea. Panel bond is pretty tough stuff. If its not right up against an exhaust pipe, it will mostly hold until the cows come home.

I'm told by my body shop supply sales rep that when properly applied, the panel bond is as strong as welding. He had no comment on Bovine livestock.
For me though, I choose to weld.

 

[Runner 68]

 

[jimbosride]

I think ... I would have it welded up.... too nice of a car to have it that way.


Or just put some "Flex Seal " on it ?

 

[OneWheelPeel]

I’m open to the newer technologies over welding when it makes life easier and the risk is low, but on something that looks structural and has easy access for welding then welding it is for me.

 

[66 Sat]

Car's nice, too.



1965 Plymouth Belvedere

I can't understand why on a car that appears to be so well done they would do such a shoddy job on those torque boxes. They don't look right at all to me, they only look attached on 2 sides, obviously not welded, not painted, they just look all wrong.

 

[PurpleBeeper]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh……

 

[flyingfeathers]

use some common sense please weld weld weld!

 

[DeltaV]

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