What's it Worth Thinking of selling my dad's Superbird

[70 sublime]

As much as it would be nice to get the car back to the original owner because he wished he still had it
I doubt you would be selling it back to him at the 1982 price he rembers letting it go for
Think he is more thinking I wish I still owned it to be able to sell it for 10 times the price he sold it for the first time

 

[DeltaV]

Probably gonna get toasted here being in the wrong place, as it will be considered a sale post.

No toast...I'm accommodating for owner/member situations such as his; and it's a highly desirable and legendary model.

Indeed, yet another post in the wrong forum. He asked WIW and so I moved it to that forum.
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A new post, in the correct forum & following the forum rules, will be needed if it actually goes up for sale @krazykuda
For Sale Section Rules

 

[Redbird]

Just guessing that someone who let it go back then is not going to want to pay full full boat for it now. I don't think he would think you are doing him a favor. Besides if he bought it new he is probably over 70-75 years old now. Time to start a major project, I think not. Sure tell him it is for sale, but I wouldn't think he's going to think that well of you unless you offer it to him for $ 75K.

 

[68BabyBlue]

Just guessing that someone who let it go back then is not going to want to pay full full boat for it now. I don't think he would think you are doing him a favor. Besides if he bought it new he is probably over 70-75 years old now. Time to start a major project, I think not. Sure tell him it is for sale, but I wouldn't think he's going to think that well of you unless you offer it to him for $ 75K.

Personal experience here. I had a GTX I had my heart set on get away from me in 1983. I finally bought it three years ago. Seller was appreciative of my back story. He still wanted 15 times what the car originally sold for. I ended up paying market price, but took the emotional attachment off the table, to the seller's surprise. I walked away, and negotiated for three months before I closed the deal.

 

[jeff alder]

I would make sure you are the one that decides what happens to it...I would go to the previous owner first to see if a deal could be struck. If you have no heirs that are a match for the car...I would turn it into useable currency (but well hidden) to go to or be divided amongst those you are the fondest of. Also...please take a damn nice vacation to the destination of your choice that you always wanted to go to but never did!

 

[MarPar]

My Dad left me an old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.

Sue is that you?

 

[khryslerkid]

A Superbird was sold at an estate sale for $210,000 it was posted here, can't find it.

Ohio Super Bird goes for 210k at Estate Auction

And flipped it already.

 

[DeltaV]

I'm considering selling my dad's old Superbird...

I am having bad health issues and may not ever be able to work on cars again and am coming to the realization that I need to get rid of some of them....

Dad bought the bird from its original owner back in 82 and has owned it since... It had a little over 20k on the odometer and now has 21,742 original miles... It was repainted in the mid 80's... It's never been restored, but can use some touch up from sitting over the years, but is in good condition and very solid, never rusted...

I may try to track down the original owner and see if he's still interested in getting it back... He's mentioned to my bother over the years that he regrets letting it go...

Since it was dad's favorite car and has alot of sentimental value, I will only let it go if the price is right... I have a couple people nibbling, but want to see if there are any others interested or what a fair price is for it....

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Provenance has value...it adds to the car's value. Round up every piece of paper you have on the car...receipts, registrations, & anything. Write down everything your Dad ever told you about the car...it may jog your memory about things "long forgotten". Then, courteously approach the original owner and ask him if he has any old paperwork on the car since you are thinking about selling it. You should have a price in mind in case he says he wants to buy it back.

He has to understand there are no special deals.

It's sad to hear see you might sell it.

 

[HawkRod]

As stated already, keep doing some homework on what it is worth, but I think you will do yourself a favor by having you or someone spend some time with the car to clean/ detail it as well as get it running and driving well. It will present so much better and will add many $$$ to the sale price. If the car doesn't currently run and drive, then a prospective buyer will need to assume that a non running car will need major work and that will knock $15-20 K off the price.

 

[DeltaV]

So, things we see in the OP pictures not already mentioned:

power steering cooler (standard on SB?)
tic-toc-tach
automatic transmission
console shifter

 

[dadsbee]

PS cooler std on every Bird.

Tach / clock or combo an option. My car has a blank.

White interior fairly rare in the fleet.

 

[Cranky]

Is there something wrong with the hood not sitting all the way down from front to back on the driver's side? I too am getting rid of a lot of stuff.....a couple of cars and machinery/tooling etc and know the feeling when it gets time to let things go. It sucks. Been cleaning on some of the areas where the rust bunnies are trying to take over on one of the machines...another suck living close to the southern coast.

And please, no one ask what I have in this thread, thanks.

 

[moparedtn]

Here is a current auction for a Superbird.
Ex–Sam-Posey-Family-Owned 1970 Plymouth Superbird 4-Speed

Wow, a bit of provenance there eh?
(BTW auctions' over - $286k!)

 

[Redbird]

I personally wouldn’t be taking legal advice from jeff alder.

If it was your dad’s car and you, you and your brother, or some other combination got it after his passing. Then his heirs likely got it at the “stepped up basis” upon his death. If you don’t understand that, and even if you do, a suggestion would be to talk to a lawyer and a CPA.

It is not a survivor, it looks as if has been “Spray Bombed” including under the hood. Find as much about the history as you can. If the first owner has some old pictures, send him some money. Great color combination with the white bucket interior. If you can get it running and stopping, that will probably be well worth the effort. Is there mildew on the steering wheel? There is so much that you have left out, so pricing is virtually impossible at this point. Good luck!

 

[super-bee_ski]

Is there something wrong with the hood not sitting all the way down from front to back on the driver's side? I too am getting rid of a lot of stuff.....a couple of cars and machinery/tooling etc and know the feeling when it gets time to let things go. It sucks. Been cleaning on some of the areas where the rust bunnies are trying to take over on one of the machines...another suck living close to the southern coast.

And please, no one ask what I have in this thread, thanks.

I just dumped:
Max wedge Clone engine (550+ HP Dale Reed built)
Hemi built 727 trans
three 1963 Dodge B-bodies
440s...
Heads...umm, another 440 w/ a 1970 build date complete with heads (Auto trans car)
GTO stuff (1970 Ram Air III engine etc)

 

[super-bee_ski]

Is there something wrong with the hood not sitting all the way down from front to back on the driver's side? I too am getting rid of a lot of stuff.....a couple of cars and machinery/tooling etc and know the feeling when it gets time to let things go. It sucks. Been cleaning on some of the areas where the rust bunnies are trying to take over on one of the machines...another suck living close to the southern coast.

And please, no one ask what I have in this thread, thanks.

Looks like Drivers side hinge Cranky...sometimes they need oil or?.....

 

[moparedtn]

I personally wouldn’t be taking legal advice from jeff alder.

If it was your dad’s car and you, you and your brother, or some other combination got it after his passing. Then his heirs likely got it at the “stepped up basis” upon his death. If you don’t understand that, and even if you do, a suggestion would be to talk to a lawyer and a CPA.

It is not a survivor, it looks as if has been “Spray Bombed” including under the hood. Find as much about the history as you can. If the first owner has some old pictures, send him some money. Great color combination with the white bucket interior. If you can get it running and stopping, that will probably be well worth the effort. Is there mildew on the steering wheel? There is so much that you have left out, so pricing is virtually impossible at this point. Good luck!

Not sure why you chose to quote/reply to me on this....
I simply noted the reputed Sam Posey connection (that's the provenance part) and what the auction ended at.
Otherwise, I have no association with any of this deal, nor do I profess any knowledge of same.

 

[Redbird]

Moparedtn,

I’m sorry if I offended you. I rarely post here, and I don’t really understand how to just add a comment. The system just seems goofy to me, and I appear to be not the only one. The system just picks up an old comment and attaches it. My comment was not directed towards anyone.

I liked the OP’s original pictures. Red car with a white bucket interior. Pretty cool and rare. I have only seen a couple like this. I have 49 years of owning wing cars. I lost interest in the WIW questions long before the cars hit the $ 5K sales price. My interests are the history; I have a whole lot of factory literature, jackets, posters and dealership items. I like the oddball cars like this one. And I could care less as to what it sells for.

It will be a while until I post again.

 

[440 4 speed]

Moparedtn,

I’m sorry if I offended you. I rarely post here, and I don’t really understand how to just add a comment. The system just seems goofy to me, and I appear to be not the only one. The system just picks up an old comment and attaches it. My comment was not directed towards anyone.
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I liked the OP’s original pictures. Red car with a white bucket interior. Pretty cool and rare. I have only seen a couple like this. I have 49 years of owning wing cars. I lost interest in the WIW questions long before the cars hit the $ 5K sales price. My interests are the history; I have a whole lot of factory literature, jackets, posters and dealership items. I like the oddball cars like this one. And I could care less as to what it sells for.

It will be a while until I post again.

Sometimes you need a thick skin. Once in awhile I just disregard some comments.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Hard to put a value with so little information, but as @dadsbee said, it's sad to hear see you sell it. I sill have my grandparents last new cars, but with my current health issues those two cars would be the last to go.
A 21K mile, 2 owner, possible V code Superbird would be tuff for any real car guy to let go of. Circumstances do come up needing major cash and I truly hope you are not in that position.
I'm not interested but do have a few pertinent questions.
1. Is it a real V code Superbird?
2. Is it in survivor condition, repaint tells me no?
3. What paper work is with the car?
4. Are all original parts with it?
5. Are the Vin,fender tag, and build sheet still in place?
My estimate on what you provided is $140 to $160 thousand, but the correct answers these questions and others could put it well above $200K. Just one opinion.
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Jerry's comments and value estimation of 140-160 grand makes the most sense to me and the original owner, if he's still alive, just isn't going to buy it back for that kind of money.

My thoughts in this thread is to see what similar birds have recently sold for, and then deduct the cost of the restoration of yours. Giving the whole car to Roger Gibson or Mike Mancini will set someone back a good 150+ grand and when it comes back, it will be so perfect that you won't want to drive it.

On the other hand, Joe Average doing all of the disassembly & reassembly themselves and sending the body out to be professionally done would cost roughly half that money, especially when you figure that Joe Average's labor rate is zero. Good quality body work and the paint job alone these days will set you back 30-35 grand while everything else (suspension rebuild, brakes, engine & transmission rebuild, decals, wiring, radiator, steering, exhaust, tires, interior needs, etc., etc.) will easily eat up the rest of the money. Nothing is cheap today.

To get a feel for a value, here's a bunch of Superbirds that have been on BAT in recent years.

Search for "plymouth superbird"

Bring a Trailer Auctions is the best place to buy and sell vintage and classic vehicles - Porsche, BMW, Land Rover, and more.

bringatrailer.com

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.