UPS MD11 crash

[33 IMP]

Probably pretty sure using the forklift wasn't legal. Wonder if any of the maintenance people went to jail for that.
One thing you don't see in these pictures is the plane. Probably all that's left are the big pieces. Landing gear, engines maybe some of the wing structure.

They were supposed to detach the engine from the pylon for service, but found that removing pylon and engine as a unit saved multiple hours of maintenance work. The technique was NOT approved .FAA didn't like it, manufacturer didn't like it, airline did like it.
It was the re-attachment with the lack of precision of a forklift that damaged the bolts and pylon.

 

[69 Sleeper Bee]

More info coming out today from NTSB

 

[j-c-c-62]

Probably pretty sure using the forklift wasn't legal. Wonder if any of the maintenance people went to jail for that.
One thing you don't see in these pictures is the plane. Probably all that's left are the big pieces. Landing gear, engines maybe some of the wing structure.

Aluminum actually burns rather well in a hot fire.

From wiki:
"Earl Russell Marshall, a crew chief at the American Airlines maintenance facility in Tulsa where the last maintenance procedure on the aircraft had taken place, died by suicide the night before he was to be deposed by McDonnell Douglas attorneys.<a href="American Airlines Flight 191 - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>31<span>]</span></a><a href="American Airlines Flight 191 - Wikipedia"><span>[</span></a>

 

[JackR]

Just heard UPS has now grounded their MD11’s. I believe those are the majority of airframes in their fleet

 

[70rrclone]

UPS Statement on MD-11 Fleet

 

[GTXDAN]

Fed-Ex too has grounded them.

 

[gtx6970]

A good friend of mine is a pilot for UPS out of Louisville

I reluctantly sent him a message cking in

Thankfully he was ok. Not his flight

Prayers for the family's affected. That was a nasty crash

 

[Photon440]

Just heard UPS has now grounded their MD11’s. I believe those are the majority of airframes in their fleet

They have a lot more 757, 767 and Airbus A300 in their fleet than those old MD11s.

 

[33 IMP]

They have a lot more 757, 767 and Airbus A300 in their fleet than those old MD11s.

Yep. UPS put out that their fleet is about 9% md11.(post#45).

 

[GTXDAN]

They have a lot more 757, 767 and Airbus A300 in their fleet than those old MD11s.

Yes but those 757, 767, and A300s are all old. Some of the 767s are newer as they were made longer. Typical cargo operation using older a/c, but with good maintenance they will fly for years.

 

[Cranky]

Yep. UPS put out that their fleet is about 9% md11.(post#45).

It was just a link though....even though I've done it before, I try to put out some info about what the link is.

 

[DeltaV]

UPS Statement on MD-11 Fleet

Out of an abundance of caution and in the interest of safety, we have made the decision to temporarily ground our MD-11 fleet. MD-11s are approximately 9% of the UPS Airlines fleet. The grounding is effective immediately. We made this decision proactively at the recommendation of the aircraft manufacturer. Nothing is more important to us than the safety of our employees and the communities we serve.

Contingency plans are in place to ensure we can continue to deliver the reliable service our customers around the world count on.
Additional information is available on updates.ups.com.

 

[Dipstick]

Aluminum actually burns rather well in a hot fire.

As shown in this video of the WTC on 9/11

 

[70rrclone]

Figured this was coming
Dynamic Regulatory System

 

[j-c-c-62]

As shown in this video of the WTC on 9/11

That is still hard to watch.
However, I am pretty sure the molten metal seen falling is not aluminum, more likely an iron based metallic.

 

[Cranky]

Out of an abundance of caution and in the interest of safety, we have made the decision to temporarily ground our MD-11 fleet. MD-11s are approximately 9% of the UPS Airlines fleet. The grounding is effective immediately. We made this decision proactively at the recommendation of the aircraft manufacturer. Nothing is more important to us than the safety of our employees and the communities we serve.

Contingency plans are in place to ensure we can continue to deliver the reliable service our customers around the world count on.
Additional information is available on updates.ups.com.

What can anyone say.....?

 

[j-c-c-62]

In the scheme of things, this is a nearly insignificant aspect, but if one had an item being shipped on this UPS MD-11, what would tracking indicate, and I am not asking in a humorous disrespectful way?

 

[gkent]

In the scheme of things, this is a nearly insignificant aspect, but if one had an item being shipped on this UPS MD-11, what would tracking indicate, and I am not asking in a humorous disrespectful way?

"parcel lost"

 

[cr8crshr]

Sadly, I just found out that the Captain was a fellow Reservist Pilot that I had crewed with on many an occasion while I was stationed at WPAFB, Ohio. Capt Richard Wartenberg. He was in the 356th ALS/445th AW flying C-141s, C-5s, and then the C-17, and retired and went to fly with UPS on the MD-11. RIP Rich...cr8crshr/Bill

Former Wright-Patt officer killed in UPS crash

 

[Cranky]

Sadly, I just found out that the Captain was a fellow Reservist Pilot that I had crewed with on many an occasion while I was stationed at WPAFB, Ohio. Capt Richard Wartenberg. He was in the 356th ALS/445th AW flying C-141s, C-5s, and then the C-17, and retired and went to fly with UPS on the MD-11. RIP Rich...cr8crshr/Bill

Former Wright-Patt officer killed in UPS crash

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Sorry for your loss....