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Most overrated movies?

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I was watching a list of the top 20 action films. I could never get into Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. It just looked silly. If you're going to have fighters scampering across tree tops, it needs to look more real than actors on cables.
I never watched The Matrix movies, but I didn't give them much of a chance. Listed as the greatest movie ever, Citizen Kane was just meh. Speed was a good movie, but not in my top ten.

What do you think is overrated?
 
In the Journal of Film and Video, Lennart Soberson stated that the action film genre has been a subject of scholarly debate since the 1980s.[4] Soberson wrote that repeated traits of the genre include chase sequences, fights, shootouts, explosions, and stunt work while other scholars asserted there were more underlying traits that define the genre.[4] David Bordwell in The Way Hollywood Tells It wrote that audiences are "told that spectacle overrides narrative" in action cinema while Wheeler Winston Dixon echoed that these films were typified by "excessive spectacle" as a "desperate attempt to mask the lack of content."[3][5] Geoff King argued that the spectacle can also be a vehicle for narrative, opposed to interfering with it.[6] Soberson stated that Harvey O'Brien had "perhaps the most convincing understanding of the genre", stating that the action film was "best understood as a fusion of form and content. It represents the idea and ethic of action through a form in which action, agitation and movement are paramount."[4]

O'Brien wrote further in his book Action Movies: The Cinema of Striking Back to suggest action films being unique and not just a series of action sequences, stating that that was the difference between Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) and Die Hard (1988), that while both were mainstream Hollywood blockbusters with a hero asserting masculinity and overcoming obstacles to a personal and social solution, John McClane in Die Hard repeatedly firing his automatic pistol while swinging from a high rise was not congruent with the image of Indiana Jones in Raiders swinging his whip to fend off villains in the backstreets of Cairo.[7] British author and academic Yvonne Tasker expanded on this topic, stating that action films have no clear and constant iconography or settings. In her book The Hollywood Action and Adventure Film (2015), she found that the most broadly consistent themes tend to be a characters quest from freedom from oppression such as a hero overcoming enemies or obstacles and physical conflicts or challenge, usually battling other humans or alien opponents.[8]

By late 2010s studies of genre analysis, the term "genre" itself is often replaced or supplemented with the words "mode" and "narrative form" with all three terms often being used interchangeably.[9] Johan Höglund and Agnieszka Soltysik Monnet said that the difference between these concepts are elusive, but stated that genre could be defined as belonging to specific historical and cultural moments while "mode" and "form" can refer to a larger pattern that operates across a wider historical and cultural field.[9] In their book Action Cinema Since 2000 (2024), Tasker, Lisa Purse, and Chris Holmlund stated that thinking of action as a mode is more helpful than thinking of it as a genre.[10] The three authors suggested that action frames a certain manner of filmmaking and viewing exceed genre without eclipsing it stating that websites such as IMDb and Wikipedia rarely label films by a single genre and that streaming services such as Amazon Prime and Netflix similarly dilutes what is marketed and received as action.[10]

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I'm with David Bordwell and Wheeler Winston Dixon. I'm not going to answer your question @SteveSS
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This list had Die Hard as number 1. The action movie list spawned my question but I wasn't trying to limit it to action movies, hence the reference to Citizen Kane. A lot of critics' choices also get heavily biased by the culture they favor. So I'm more interested in non-critics' choices.
 
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Anything that is basically 2 hours of people fighting.

That covers a LOT of modern productions.
 
I don't know about all that critical analysis but I do know some I like and some I don't. For instance Forrest Gump bored the hell out of me. I saw it once and that was enough. I would have rather watched the grass grow.
 
What do you think is overrated?

So I'm more interested in non-critics' choices.

The Lion King. I didn't like kiddie movies when I was a kid, but I had to endure The Lion King because it came out when my daughter was the targeted age. The sacrifices we parents have to make for our children.

The Titanic. I was looking forward to everyone drowning in the dark so I could get the hell out of the theater.

The Clint Eastwood movies with the orangutan.
 
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