413 or 426 max wedge engine built me

[gtx69]

Okay Mopar people let's have some idea's on building me a 413 or 426 stroker cross ram with max wedge exhaust it's a real 62 dart maxie would like to look stock on the outside. 80% street 20% strip Let's have your ideas .Also i will be using max wedge heads that's been ported 2402286 and org intake.It's a auto car.Also pick me a rear gear

 

[Small Block]

Do ya really need to stroke it? I've got a 62 bel post and i've picked up a 413 and a str 14 with carbs and for me that will be all i'll need to push that beast around the block. 600 ponies with that combo is realistic and very obtainable. I'm not an engine builder by no means of the term but i do like big stuff. I will be working on my first 451 stroker motor from start to finish for the first time so wish me luck. It may blow up on the first crank but then i'll do it till i get it right. In the past i've had my engines built but that is ending. Keep us posted on your build if you would please.

 

[383man]

There is a guy who is racing a 63 Dodge Max Wedge right now in the FAST class which means "Factory Appearing Stock Tires". He has to use the right heads with the stock intake and exh manifolds and he has run 11.30's. They build stroker engines that look bone stock but make tons of power. You really need to use a cam that will work with the exh you have to use. Over on Moparts a guy named Andy F has done alot of dyno work on stroker combo's and he would be able to give you alot of help with the combo you are looking to run. I myself build my own engines but I have never run a stroker. Ron

 

[69 Runner]

Call Dan Dvorak

 

[gtx69]

Thanks everyone for the info.Maybe i won't stroke it.THat would save some $$$$4

 

[696pack]

Thanks everyone for the info.Maybe i won't stroke it.THat would save some $$$$4

Boy, I would. In my OPINION there are only two reasons to put up with all of the headaches that come with owning one of these old cars.

1. The nostalgia look of them.

2. The TORQUE that a big block provides. For me, the more torque the better.

The new Mustangs and Challengers and soon to be Camaro are basically in the same league as many of the performance cars of the late 60s and early 70s. They are rear wheel drive cars that we can buy new for the price of the typical family sedan, with warranty, better gas mileage, easy to insure, run the same 1/4 mile times, run higher top end speeds, and can be driven as a daily driver as well as take to the strip on the weekend. Sound familier? Say like a 69 RR or Bee when they were new?

The old cars offer big blocks C.I.D. that you can't get today unless you want to spend MUCH more money for something like a Viper. This is why all of my old cars are big blocks.

I have often thought about selling all of my old iron and buying a new car to replace them for these very reasons. In fact, the days are not far off when I put my 1966 Hemi Coronet up for sale and replace it with a 97-2001 Viper. My 66 has never had a roll bar in it and when I am barred from all the area tracks for running too fast without one I will sell it as iIdon't have the heart to put a bar in it after 43 years.

 

[383man]

Boy, I would. In my OPINION there are only two reasons to put up with all of the headaches that come with owning one of these old cars.

1. The nostalgia look of them.

2. The TORQUE that a big block provides. For me, the more torque the better.

The new Mustangs and Challengers and soon to be Camaro are basically in the same league as many of the performance cars of the late 60s and early 70s. They are rear wheel drive cars that we can buy new for the price of the typical family sedan, with warranty, better gas mileage, easy to insure, run the same 1/4 mile times, run higher top end speeds, and can be driven as a daily driver as well as take to the strip on the weekend. Sound familier? Say like a 69 RR or Bee when they were new?

The old cars offer big blocks C.I.D. that you can't get today unless you want to spend MUCH more money for something like a Viper. This is why all of my old cars are big blocks.

I have often thought about selling all of my old iron and buying a new car to replace them for these very reasons. In fact, the days are not far off when I put my 1966 Hemi Coronet up for sale and replace it with a 97-2001 Viper. My 66 has never had a roll bar in it and when I am barred from all the area tracks for running too fast without one I will sell it as iIdon't have the heart to put a bar in it after 43 years.

I will never sell my 63 for a newer car. In fact I will never sell my 63 at all as my kids will get it when I die. I totally agree with #1 as I love the nostalgia look of the muscle cars. And my 63 is still faster then the Challenger , Mustang and Camaro in the 1/4 mile unless they can run mid 11's. And the new cars cost about 3 times as much as I have in my 63. :yes: My 63 is not stroked and is really a mild build with factory iron 906 heads but when I do build an aluminum head stroker it will be a 10 second pump gas driver instaed of an 11 second pump gas driver that it is now. I went to 2 car shows this past weekend and just the :wtg: and the nice remarks I got make it so worth it to drive the car and have fun. Ron

 

[696pack]

"I will never sell my 63 for a newer car. In fact I will never sell my 63 at all as my kids will get it when I die. I totally agree with #1 as I love the nostalgia look of the muscle cars. And my 63 is still faster then the Challenger , Mustang and Camaro in the 1/4 mile unless they can run mid 11's. And the new cars cost about 3 times as much as I have in my 63. My 63 is not stroked and is really a mild build with factory iron 906 heads but when I do build an aluminum head stroker it will be a 10 second pump gas driver instaed of an 11 second pump gas driver that it is now. I went to 2 car shows this past weekend and just the and the nice remarks I got make it so worth it to drive the car and have fun. Ron"

That is all well and fine and I am happy for you. That is what keeps the hobby alive.

My remarks were simply pointing out the comparisions that many people today make in THEIR minds when making a discision to purchase either a new muscle car or an old one.
You are fortune enough to be in your car for much less then someone new in the market for one or the other. Likewise many people don't have the ability/time to do their own work or have the luxury/room for a single purpose sunday driver.

I have owned over 150 of these old cars over the past 40 years and it is a fact of life that they break down far more often than a new car when driven daily. many people can't deal with that.

Understand that I am not running down the hobby but do have a realistic vision of it and how it fits into real life for more than just gearheads that have the ability and where-with-all to fix something on the side of the road, at night, in the rain. And if anyone tells me this has never happened to them, then they are not TRULEY a gearhead.LOL!

The intention of my original post was to simply explain why I would stroke the subject engine. More cubes, more torque, more fun. That is why we own these cars isn't it?

Obviously I got sidetracked with things that I truely had merit in it all, but I certainly don't want anyone to think I am running down or abandoning the hobby on a personal level. I just think everyone should be aware of what we face as a hobby from potential new members THINKING of buying and old muscle car vs. a new one. Many refuse to admit it but it IS effecting the market along with other things.

 

[383man]

I understand what you mean and I am not knocking your opinion I just ment to let you know how I feel about the hobby and the older muscle cars. Did not mean to offend you in any way. I guess since I have been a tech all my life it seems so easy to me to fix any problems I might have with my muscle cars as where many cant fix their car themselfs. So I guess to me it dont seem to be a real problem if my muscle car breaks down. Ron

 

[696pack]

I understand what you mean and I am not knocking your opinion I just ment to let you know how I feel about the hobby and the older muscle cars. Did not mean to offend you in any way. I guess since I have been a tech all my life it seems so easy to me to fix any problems I might have with my muscle cars as where many cant fix their car themselfs. So I guess to me it dont seem to be a real problem if my muscle car breaks down. Ron

No problem here.

My wife can't understand why I have all of these OLD CARS that she seems to think are not dependable since they are in the shop a lot. Of course she doesn't understand that it is usually not a break down they are in for but usually UPGRADES She is like 75% of the people out there that can't, won't fix there own car so if it has to go to the shop for something that is broken it is a BAD CAR.:no: OTOH, I too have grown tired of repairing my own stuff and more often than not I pay to have it done these days. When I was young it was a new and learning experience. Not so much these days and is more of a pain in the ***.

 

[gtx69]

So who sells a reasonable priced stroker kit?

 

[696pack]

So who sells a reasonable priced stroker kit?

440Source.com

But now that have said this there will certainly be others grumbling about the fact that the castings are foreign made.
There has been a lot of discussion about their parts on Moparts, and while they also bash the non USA made issue, I have never heard any other complaints about their parts.

 

[Meep-Meep]

How about building a stock max wedge? I used to run around with one in my 68 Road Runner back in the 80's and it held it's own. Maybe not as much as a stroked 500+ CI roller cammed monster, but you said 80% street. Why spend the extra money? It's already a hell of a lot of motor right out of the box.

 

[pushrod]

There ae several stroker options available from Indy, Muscle Motors and 440 source complerte for under 2 grand. By the time you do the macine work and buy new pistons for the overbore it is almost a wash.

 

[1badstroker]

mancini has some nice 493 stroker kits on there website. They are 1400.00 to 1700.00 kits though. I like the big stroker motors because they are torque monsters. I have a 500 inch plus big block and I would not have done it any other way even today.

 

[John Lang]

To 696pack, How do you come you come up with this number on the 66 HEMI car as 1 of 11 built, are you baseing this on a color, or special option? In 1964 thru 1968 I sold Dodge and Plymouth cars, mostly high perf, specificaly HEMI cars, and 440's, the Hot Rod type stuff, which really pissed off the owner of the dealership, until he noticed the numbers being sold and the profit!!!!!!!! He also started to stock HEMI cars and the HOT stuff. Enough Babble , Later, ,,,,,,John Lang

 

[gtx69]

No one stocks the stroker kits for the 413-426 have to have custom pistons for it.$$$$