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Different B/RB cylinder bore sizes - same heads

69SportSatellite

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I am curious about something and I am hoping someone here will be able to educate me.

I have three complete engines, a '67 440, a '68 383, and a '73 400. The 440 is in my car, original bone stock with the 915 non-HP heads - out of an Imperial and surprisingly it runs great on the poor 91 octane gasoline we have in CA.

The other two engines I acquired because like many of you I never know when I'll need something to use or swap. I bought them both recently "just in case" since they were complete carb to pan and remarkably inexpensive. If I ever have to replace the 440, I may go with a stroker build using the 383 or 400 block since the B engine (383) was the largest that came in my car ('69 Sport Satellite) from the factory. Many years ago I also bought a forged 440 crank which was checked and then machined to fit the B engine block.

If I have my stock bore diameters for the three engines correct, they range from 4.25" to 4.34". From looking at various stock / aftermarket cylinder heads and their respective combustion chambers, clearly the diameter of the chambers are smaller than the cylinder bores they sit atop. But, does it matter or create any inefficiency when the bore is larger? I assume not a lot, and piston design may compensate for this especially in a stock engine since the factory heads were engineered to work universally across the B/RB line.

I am not an engineer or skilled engine builder to be sure, but it seems to me that the more flat surface or "ceiling" over the cylinder bore/piston, the less efficient the air flow would be?
 
Satellite

What is the useage model?

Among the engines you have, I really don't think you will notice much difference in your street ride. You didn't mention you were looking to be super-competitive and needed every advantage on the track. In such a case, here is one opinion:

https://rehermorrison.com/tech-talk-53-big-bore-or-long-stroke-which-is-better/

In terms of racing engines, he would recommend your 400 block!

But we need to know what you are trying to do.

David
 
The bigger the bore, the better the heads flow and bigger the motor will be, all else being equal. I'd go with the 400.
 
Thank you all for the responses. Regarding my project, as time progresses, the goal is for cruising - street driving only, no more than 400HP/500TQ using as many stock parts as possible. I know the "go to" is aluminum heads, but I like the idea of using 915s with larger valves and some minor work being done to them. The 383 has 906's and the 400 902's.

Currently, the 440 is mated with its original 727 (freshly rebuilt) and I'm running a 3.23 Sure Grip. Definitely want to stay with the stock HP manifolds ... and, will likely go to a 4 speed (have many of the parts for the swap already) thus starting with an engine ready for the M/T.

If I do start with a fresh engine, I may sell the 440/727 as a pair, since it's set up with the updated cable kickdown from Bouchillon and dialed in. But, that's a ways away ... retirement has been postponed until 2021 due to everything going on right now.
 
About the only issue that comes to mind is valve shrouding; the smaller bore will slightly affect the air flow on the side of the valve closest to the cylinder wall. It's more of an issue when oversized valves are installed.
 
There is also this:


Like many others, I believe the Mopar 383 is an underrated motor when it comes to its potential for performance. I know we have other threads on FBBO re factory HP manifolds versus headers, but it would nice to see some "factory" builds with the upgrades we all know and love with stock manifolds - yes, fighting a losing battle! Nicks Garage does have them though ... another GREAT source.
 
The bigger the bore, the better the heads flow and bigger the motor will be, all else being equal.

And the pressure produced by combustion that is exerted on the larger piston surface will increase the force exerted on the crank.
 
Staying with stock HP manifolds you need to stick with a LSA of 112 degrees or bigger on the camshaft to maximize efficiency of exhaust.
 
Like many others, I believe the Mopar 383 is an underrated motor when it comes to its potential for performance. I know we have other threads on FBBO re factory HP manifolds versus headers, but it would nice to see some "factory" builds with the upgrades we all know and love with stock manifolds - yes, fighting a losing battle! Nicks Garage does have them though ... another GREAT source.
I have been watching Nick for awhile now. He loves HP manifolds when he can use them. From watching his dyno tests looks like about 400hp is the limit for HP manifolds.
 
I have been watching Nick for awhile now. He loves HP manifolds when he can use them. From watching his dyno tests looks like about 400hp is the limit for HP manifolds.

That's a bit of an over simplification without qualifications on the motor itself, as 600 HP is possible. A smartly built stock stroke 440 with an easy on parts hydraulic cam and ported factory head should get you 450 HP.
 
That's a bit of an over simplification without qualifications on the motor itself, as 600 HP is possible. A smartly built stock stroke 440 with an easy on parts hydraulic cam and ported factory head should get you 450 HP.

so just so I understand,you are saying 450hp is doable with stock hp manifolds ? thats pretty dang good !
 
Tech archives on moparts have flow tests and dyno runs that will help you
 
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