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440 rb. Half or fully grooved bearings?

Sonny

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I need to order new main bearings for my ‘78 440. It’s a street car/car show car and not a race car. Should I use 1/2 or fully grooved bearings? I’ve seen lots of opinions online for each. Motortrend article recommended 1/2 grooved…?
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Sonny
 
I have full groove but my car is a strong street/strip car. I don’t think you have anything to lose but you gain extra oiling capacity with full groove. I’m sure you would be fine with either.
 
Here is my opinion as a General Electric Turbine Bearing Specialist! The full groove bearings provide oil to the
camshaft, lifters, and rocker arms all of the time. The factory race manuals state this. While a lower bearing
with no groove can take more load because of more surface area, More components get less oil which lubricates
and takes away heat. As the crankshaft turns, the oil supply intermittently spurts to the valve train with a half-
groove bearing, and heat can build up in the bearing and cause it to fail. In a Turbine, we put side pockets in
large turbine bearings so the oil wedge can work it's way under the shaft and lift the rotor. I have seen main bearings
with this little pocket in the lower solid bearing, but I think it's just useless. In a turbine, the oil in the bearing
gets used once to lubricate and take away heat. In our engines, it has to go on and lubricate the valve train.
Strictly my opinion. I'm not an engineer. The book says to use fully grooved bearings. That's my story, and I'm
sticking with it!
 
A full grove bearing will be fine for street application, but probably not really needed. The 3/4 style sounds like a good option.
 
I use 1/2 or 3/4 groove. The valve train oiling has nothing to do with a main bearing groove. The stock valvetrain is fed from #4 cam bearing up through the decks to the heads. The #4 cam bearing is fed from a galley that runs upward through the center of the block from behind the #4 main bearing. That galley is fed from the right lifter galley. The two galleys intersect behind the #4 main bearing bore in the block.
Doug
 
Yes DVW, I misspoke. The Rod bearings are what suffers in the system! They only get oil for 180 degrees of crankshaft rotation.
Thanks for getting the brain cells going.
 
Things are probably different today than back in the 70's when I raced, but back then I used fully grooved on the mains and half grooved on the rods on my street/strip Hemi, and on my 440+6. Never had a problem.
UH, all my rod bearings are NOT grooved. Race main bearings have been full groove for a long time.
 
IIRC, full grooved mains required a HV Oil Pump too.
 
IIRC, full grooved mains required a HV Oil Pump too.
No they don’t Require a HV oil pump.
I have several cars With full groove and without HV pump. 5500 RPM limit. Machinist says whatever you are doing keep doing it, after looking at the crank and bearings at re-ring time.

Many questions need answered first.
What weight oil?
What is the bearing clearance?
how are you driving the car, how much heat in the oil?
 
Bearing clearances/grooves don't kill oil pressure anywhere near what some may think. Plenty other leak paths that are seldom addressed. Lifter bore clearance being #1.
Doug
 
" It’s a street car/car show car and not a race car." You use what the factory engineers designed for a street car.
 
I would use the 1/2 groove in this application. With full groove, you lose a significant of surface area due to the groove.
 
I would use the 1/2 groove in this application. With full groove, you lose a significant of surface area due to the groove.
Sorry, but I disagree. After doing the calculations to a MS1277P-010 bearing, I calculate that the bearing has 3.8778 in^2 while the groove has 0.3447 in^2. Doing the math results in a 8.9% difference in surface area between the two, and in my book, does NOT qualify as a "Significant" difference.

I think it is moot point on which bearing set to use due to surface area, as the more important question is which set is actually available in your size.
 
Just an FYI, not all full groove mains have the same groove width. I have a set on the shelf that has a groove 1/2 the width of the Hemi bearings I used for twenty years.
 
Just an FYI, not all full groove mains have the same groove width. I have a set on the shelf that has a groove 1/2 the width of the Hemi bearings I used for twenty years.
I understand that, but I only referenced one set of bearings (that I had) as an example, and not an absolute to all bearings out there. My main point is that the loss of surface area due to the groove is NOT a significant amount relative to the lack of groove.
 
At this point I don't know if I agree or disagree! And also about what. I think I need a drink!
 
I guess it depends on your definition of significant.......
It fits my definition......
With years of experience building & stripping engines, the upper half of main brgs in mileage engines are ALWAYS in better condition than the lower half. Some even look as new. That is because the bottom half takes the load. Hence for longevity on this mild street engine, non-grooved lower half is better.
 
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