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AFR install

Rusty knuckles

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How critical is having dual o2 sensors on a dual plane dual exhaust car? If you use 1 sensor where do you guys like to put it?

Reading plugs my left and right banks are wildly different it appears with the right bank currently 3 stages leaner than the left and appears to need to go more. So I broke down and bought a single meter. I have no problem buying a 2nd if I need to though.
 
If that is the case then stick it in the lean side to monitor first. You can always install bungs in both exhaust pipes and switch the sensor to watch both sides one at a time if you don't want to spring for the dual setup.
Install it where you have easy access for the sensor and wiring.Make sure it is before any h or x pipe.
 
What device are you using to monitor the a/f ratio? What do you mean by "3 stages leaner"? Have you checked for intake or exhaust leaks?

From Holley:
"Mounting the oxygen sensor in the correct location is vital for proper functioning. Proper placement of the sensor should ideally be between six to eight inches after the merge in your header collector, with at least 18 to 24 inches of exhaust pipe after the sensor. That extra length of pipe is to keep atmospheric reversion from allowing ambient outside oxygen to work its way back into the pipe and give you false readings.

It’s important to install the oxygen sensor at an upward angle so condensation doesn’t collect in it. The sensor should be installed at least ten degrees upward from horizontal. Doing so prevents incorrect readings or damage to the sensor caused by moisture that naturally finds its way into the exhaust system.

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Mounting oxygen sensors at an angle keeps condensation from collecting on them. They should mounted at an upward angle of 10 degrees or more from level."
 
I bought a cheapo off ebay. 3 stages leaner I'm referring to the edelbrock chart. On the chart I'm 3 stages richer on the left according to the chart. It's close to what I want. But the right side is still fat as heck after leaning it out 3 stages.
 
A cheapo... what - air fuel ratio gauge? What "Edelbrock chart" are you referring to?

Can you maybe give a little more detail on what the engine is and what parts are on it? Are you tuning a carburetor or some sort of EFI? What are you doing when trying to "lean out" the right side?

Check out this thread on FABO, might give you some insight as to what is happening with your setup.
 
Well, if you install an AFR on one side, it will tell you what that side is. It's like installing an EGT on one cyl, what are the others doing?
 
I installed bungs on both sides and have switched the sensor around to check both sides, for me there was not a noticeable difference. If you go that route just make sure to leave the wiring long enough
 
I installed at single bung in the pipe at a point as instructed only on drivers side near where the mirror is, same thing can be done on passenger side if desired. This location can be easily reached without jacking up the car from underneath. For me, installing the O2 sensor is something temporary only needed when when tweeting A/F ratio. I just install the sensor when needed and tape the wire outside the car on rear edge of fender and route thru the window to get to the O2 readout unit plugged into lighter socket for power.
 
Again, before doing anything else or spending another dime, ensure the engine is in good condition. Maybe do a compression or leak down check, verify 100% there are no exhaust or vacuum leaks, make sure the fuel level is correct, all your bolts are tight, etc. If you haven't done any of this basic stuff first, stop and verify it all before doing anything else. As the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out.

My suggestion would actually be to forget about the 02 right now. Normally it functions as a feedback device in EFI programming but with a carburetor and a stand alone AFR gauge it's a one-trick pony and does not factor into the decision to add or subtract fuel - it can't. What are you seeing on the gauge anyway? Since you're looking at plugs it sounds like you're not even relying on the gauge much to begin with. If that's true then it makes no sense to add another one.

Do yourself a favor and install a vacuum gauge to a manifold vacuum source. Drive around with it to see what kind of readings you are getting under different throttle conditions. With a carb, a vacuum gauge will tell you more than an 02. Unless you have a big cam, vacuum at idle should be 17"-22" and should be similar at cruise. If it's way off then most likely the timing is incorrect.

When tuning, don't do anything to the carb before verifying the timing is correct. Do you have vacuum advance hooked up? Need to test that in cruise mode. Shoot for as much advance as possible without detonation then back it off a degree or two to be safe.

If you've gone through all that and verified the engine is mechanically sound and the timing is correct then you might want to go back to a baseline setting with the carb and start from scratch. Probably not what you want to hear but it's easy to get turned around. Edelbrock carbs rely on step up springs to time the fuel delivery and metering rods to alter the volume of it.
 
Post #12 has some good points.
Yes before you start the engine mechanically and the timing must be right/sorted out as it can quite markedly influence the AFR readings.
If the say timing is off a bit and you adjusted the AFR by changing jets you could be a jet size or two off from what is really needed.
 
I bought a cheapo off ebay. 3 stages leaner I'm referring to the edelbrock chart. On the chart I'm 3 stages richer on the left according to the chart. It's close to what I want. But the right side is still fat as heck after leaning it out 3 stages.
How do you lean out the “right side” when using a dual plane intake?
 
How do you lean out the “right side” when using a dual plane intake?
Well there is some division in the center plenum. It's not sealed off but I've read it's not unusual to split the jetting due to runner lengths. So on the side that appears rich I leaned up the settings.
 
interesting. Half of the right cylinders are fed by the left side of the carb and intake.
 
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