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[HT413]

Your contention is that Obama is quoted as saying "I'll will"? Certainly you understand why this is suspicious...

Source please? I did a search of his 10/17 speech on the budget deal, and did not find anything of the sort as you posted. A simple search of 'republican' in the following pages comes up w/ nada:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...02b6-3738-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story_3.html

So this begs the question, are you knowingly lying to us, are you simply ill-informed, or are you 'quoting' a different speech that was given?

I don't affiliate myself w/ any particular party, I just want truth and rational debate. Trying to be objective as I can, I find much more deception coming from the right-wing media in quotes/twisting of words and flat out misinformation than dems. Rupert Murdoch is a master at selling product.

I'll also ask, you repeat multiple times about things he's doing as 'illegal'. Can you cite what laws make it so?

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Well, science and reason go hand in hand...

...and yeah, that was my point.

Regarding laws, well, i point to the Constitution. And to this...

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtyeJ55o3El0[/video]

Basic Civics, man. The President is bound to execute the laws as passed by the Legislative Branch. The only branch that can interpret is the Judicial Branch. When Obama says he will selectively enforce, he is in direct breach of his Constitutionally mandated responsibilities and is admitting on national tv that he is going directly against his sworn oath.

I take that very seriously.

 

[Deleted member 214]

I think I will see what the Supreme Court says. I don't delude myself into thinking I'm a constitutional lawyer.

 

[HT413]

I think I will see what the Supreme Court says. I don't delude myself into thinking I'm a constitutional lawyer.

The Supreme Court cannot and will not judge what the president can say or do. They do not have the authority. They can only judge cases as they are brought to them and currently there is no court case to that effect, nor will there likely ever be.

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Like I said, I get outraged thinking about these idiots.

Honestly, I get outraged listening to either side. I have the misfortune of being generally fiscally conservative and socially liberal, so I agree in part with both and disagree in part with both.

The important point here is that there needs to be a dissenting voice, no matter who is in power. So enjoy your outrage, it is your Constitutional right.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Please admit your 'quote' was promotion of misinformation, unless you can provide a link to a transcript, much like I did.

I get tired of the incessant complaining, w/ no alternative solutions to anything themselves. In this case, everyone is up in arms about not being able to keep their existing plans, yet when Obama works w/ insurance companies to strike a deal...he's 'breaking the law'. There's no satisfying some people, and quite honestly, opposition is making mountains out of mole hills. Patriot Act and infringement on privacy rights, nah, no big deal...corporations given free speech rights afforded to individuals by the 'Court', i.e., buying the gov't...obvious decision, right? These are the things that people should be upset about, but instead, it's the talking points of the week provided by conservative talk radio and Fox News.

Infighting is nice for the people at the top, it keeps the heat off of them.

Oh, and something you might appreciate:
[video=youtube;uf2q66G3lmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2q66G3lmM[/video]

 

[HT413]

Please admit your 'quote' was promotion of misinformation, unless you can provide a link to a transcript, much like I did.

I get tired of the incessant complaining, w/ no alternative solutions to anything themselves. In this case, everyone is up in arms about not being able to keep their existing plans, yet when Obama works w/ insurance companies to strike a deal...he's 'breaking the law'. There's no satisfying some people, and quite honestly, opposition is making mountains out of mole hills. Patriot Act and infringement on privacy rights, nah, no big deal...corporations given free speech rights afforded to individuals by the 'Court', i.e., buying the gov't...obvious decision, right? These are the things that people should be upset about, but instead, it's the talking points of the week provided by conservative talk radio and Fox News.

Infighting is nice for the people at the top, it keeps the heat off of them.

Oh, and something you might appreciate:
[video=youtube;uf2q66G3lmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2q66G3lmM[/video]

This is the last post I'll make on this. Look at my posts here on FBBO and tell me I'm full of **** and lies. All I do is help people here, even if it takes hours of my time. And all I ask is for a little help in return. I listened to and watched Obama say those words as he was fighting against the then impending shut down and again during the early days of the shut down. Did it occur on that date? I really don't know and don't care.

Be that as it may, the man and is associates have lied about many many important issues surrounding Obamacare, a fact you don't appear to be denying. That is the issue at hand, not whether you can successfully google every word Telepromptor in Chief has uttered.

A president has no right to change law by executive fiat. He needs to recommend or even pressure Senate and House to change the law, even temporarily. What worries me most about this president is the constitutional laws that he breaks at his will. He has sworn to uphold the Constitution yet weakens it with every word. And this is not a Bush vs Obama issue, because both did it. Your assertion or implication that that makes it right, well, that is precisely what is wrong with this country. Everyone breaks the law, well at least MY GUY is breaking it for my benefit.

That is the issue here.

 

[FJ6AAR]

This is the last post I'll make on this. Look at my posts here on FBBO and tell me I'm full of **** and lies. All I do is help people here, even if it takes hours of my time. And all I ask is for a little help in return. I listened to and watched Obama say those words as he was fighting against the then impending shut down and again during the early days of the shut down. Did it occur on that date? I really don't know and don't care.

Be that as it may, the man and is associates have lied about many many important issues surrounding Obamacare, a fact you don't appear to be denying. That is the issue at hand, not whether you can successfully google every word Telepromptor in Chief has uttered.

A president has no right to change law by executive fiat. He needs to recommend or even pressure Senate and House to change the law, even temporarily. What worries me most about this president is the constitutional laws that he breaks at his will. He has sworn to uphold the Constitution yet weakens it with every word. And this is not a Bush vs Obama issue, because both did it. Your assertion or implication that that makes it right, well, that is precisely what is wrong with this country. Everyone breaks the law, well at least MY GUY is breaking it for my benefit.

That is the issue here.

There is no need to try to explain something to someone who refuses to comprehend what you are saying. I will say no more.

 

[scotts74birds]

Presidential Oath of Office.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
"Preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." This does not mean change it to fit my socialist agenda.
If you want to change the Constitution, you do it as a Citizen, Jurist, or Representative. The job of President is to serve as elected. Not to change things to suit your agenda.
The people are the ones that have the right to petition the change of the Constitution. The Judiciary are the ones that have the duty to ensure that change is within the Constitutional limits of the law as written, not by interpretation. And Congress's duty is to represent the voice of those they were elected by.
In its truest sense, a Representative, or Senators DUTY is to DISCERN the will of the majority of his constituents. Not just the will of a highly-vocal minority, but the will of the generally silent majority. This is the truest sense of an elected representative. Too often they are bent by media coverage of some "special interest" group to do some "knee-jerk" bullshit, meaningless legislation to hit some fly-sized issue with a sledge-hammer.

 

[snakeoil24]

If the Democrats and this wrecking ball president stay on Course Republicans could have a landslide vicotry ion the next election cycle. It is really possible the misery caused to us by Obama with healthcare, economy, race baiting and the 1 percent crap could really give the democrats a must needed boot in the *** right into the street.

 

[scotts74birds]

Republicans could have had a landslide in the last one, but they picked Romney!? Just shows how both parties are out-of-touch with the majority of Americans that consider themselves "moderates", and "fiscal-conservatives". When you are young, you vote your ideals. When you get older, you vote your wallet.