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Hardened valve seats

Thanks guys.
Got the response from my local airport today and they will sell it to me. :)

Well as far as Tetraboost i will follow the instructions.
I hope it contains enough lead to protect the valves.
At least it contains real lead and is not a substitute like almost everything else.
After i used it up (already ordered 6 cans) i will most likely switch to AVGAS 100LL as its available locally.

Be interesting if you had access to an appropriate lab to have a spectrograph run on a sample of TetraBoost to verify what the actual lead per volume is. I would wager that it would come out to approx. 2 grams per gallon, same as av gas, meaning that they are repackaging av gas or leaded race gas into small containers. For an exorbitant markup of course.
 
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Dont bother, unless you're hauling a trailer consistently. You dont need them.
 
Dont bother, unless you're hauling a trailer consistently. You dont need them.
Remember too that if you use the leaded fuel with spark plugs that have precious metals like platinum, iridium, rhodium, etc. the fuel will ruin them, just like lead ruins catalytic converters. You need to use the old style spark plugs.
 
Yes we’re all assuming he has a bone stock all original 1969 440. What he’s got may differ. Who knows what mods or repairs have been done in 51 years. Might not be the numbers matching engine, could be a service replacement and who knows what heads are on it. It might already have hardened seats and stellite valves.
 
was a compression test ever posted, head casting numbers?
have the valve covers off remove the rockers/ shaft and lay a stright edge on top of the valve stems- any weird?
heads cut for positive seals and how old are the seals, timing chain
valve springs checked for pressure
 
Remember too that if you use the leaded fuel with spark plugs that have precious metals like platinum, iridium, rhodium, etc. the fuel will ruin them, just like lead ruins catalytic converters. You need to use the old style spark plugs.

Thanks for your comment!
I did not know that and already ordered those:
https://www.moparshop.com/Online-Shop/Elektrik-Zuendung/42978/Zuendkerze-BBM-Iridium
As the name already suggests they have Iridium electrode tips.

What about the Champion J12YC?
Are they a good choice for my 69' 440 running on leaded fuel?
 
What ever plug you use plug fouling due to lead will occur.. That was the biggest reason for 12K mile plug changes....
 
But would the Champion J12YC hold up longer than the Iridium ones i already bought?
 
nimho
but there were some special plugs that worked better
not truck plugs- some other name
 
But would the Champion J12YC hold up longer than the Iridium ones i already bought?


You have the Iridium plugs... Use them, what do you have to loose?

I just searched a little & found this on the Shell Aviation website..



I have had a lot of questions about Lead Fouling of engines in the past and this is a good opportunity to explain how it happens and how to help avoid it.

As you will know, Avgas 100LL contains a compound known as Tetra Ethyl Lead (TEL) which acts as an octane booster for the fuel. This results in a fuel which is commonly known as a 100 Octane lean mixture and 130 rich mixture Performance Number fuel.

In practice it is even better than this, with ratings more like 106 lean mixture & 130 rich mixture which are far in excess of the comparable 85 - 87 octane of road fuels. To achieve this a lot of TEL is used - around 5 times the quantity that was used in the old Leaded automotive fuels.

This increase in octane allows aviation engines to produce more power through increased compression ratios or alternatively by increasing the inlet pressure by using a turbo or a supercharger. The problem with using Leaded fuels is that they will always burn with more deposits than unleaded fuels.

The Tetra Ethyl Lead used for octane boost in the fuel naturally degrades to form Lead Oxide when it is burned. In reality it is this oxide which gives the octane boost. The problem is that Lead Oxide is a solid up to about 900 deg C which is well within the wall temperatures inside a piston engine.

In order to prevent these deposits from forming, a Lead scavenging compound is added to Avgas 100LL - this compound is Ethylene Dibromide. This scavenger is designed to react with the Lead oxide to form Lead Bromide which is more volatile - becoming a gas at around 200 - 250 oC. This is a low enough temperature to ensure that the Lead is removed from the engine as a gas end it subsequently goes back to the solid phase as the exhaust gas cools in the atmosphere.

As a point of interest the pale brown / ash coloured staining that is often seen leading from the exhausts of high powered engines, such as those found on the warbirds, is in fact Lead Bromide.

To enable this reaction between the Lead Oxide and the scavenger to work, there needs to be a relatively high combustion temperature.

What a lot of people do is conduct the warm up with the engine power lever on the idle stop, and this is inappropriate. The technique for the common Teledyne Continental Motors and Textron Lycoming General Aviation engines is as follows.

After start up, the engine should be operated at 1000 - 1200 rpm for the initial warm up period and not at the 600 -650 rpm idle speed. This serves a number of purposes.

The higher cylinder pressure encourages the rings to seal properly, not only limiting oil egress into the combustion chamber, but also reducing the amount of corrosive combustion by-products going the other way into the sump oil. This technique thus also helps reduce the risk of corrosion problems in the long term by reducing the amount of acids and Lead being pumped into the oil.

Meanwhile in the combustion chamber, Lead Oxides tend to form deposits because of the low combustion temperatures. The temperature for Lead deposits to form tend to be favourable around the spark plugs (as the whole mixture is quite cool before the flame starts to propagate) and on the exhaust valve stem (as the mixture cools after combustion).

The problem is that the deposits are electrically conductive, which shorts out the spark plug - and corrosive, which can start to attack the metal of the valve stems.

Temperature is a key factor in preventing Lead fouling and it is not just at start up, but also the correct shut down procedure should be carried out.

Engines that have been involved with long, low power descents, or have taxied for some distance, can have quite low cylinder temperatures and this - as we now know - can lead to lead fouling. Again the advice from Textron Lycoming and Teledyne Continental Motors to remedy this is: once on the aircraft is on the stand, the engine speed should be kept between 1000 and 1200 rpm until the engine temperatures have stabilised.

Once the temperatures are stable, the engine speed should be increased to 1800 rpm for a period of 15 to 20 seconds, which should generate enough temperature to burn off any deposits. Once this period is past, the engine speed should be reduced to 1000 - 1200 rpm once again and then immediately shut down using the mixture control.

Spark Plugs
If problems persist, then another question to ask is are the plugs of the correct type? Check the charts for your engine, but generally a hotter plug should be used in a lower powered engine. Higher powered engines tend to generate enough combustion temperature to keep the spark plug nose hot, and therefore deposits down, even with cold plugs.

A hot plug does not transfer heat rapidly away from its firing end into the cooling system and is therefore better at avoiding fouling where combustion chamber or cylinder head temperatures are relatively low. In order to achieve this, hot plugs have a relatively long insulator nose with a long heat transfer path.

With the Champion plugs, the higher the number, the hotter the plug, for example the REM-40-E is hotter than the REM-38-E.

Some of the spark plug manufacturers have some other solutions too. If we look at the example of a Champion REM-37-BY plug which is recommended for the most of the Lycoming O-320 and O-360 engines, this plug does not prevent the accumulation of Lead deposits, but its design is supposed to make it capable of firing even with severe Lead deposit build up.

This problem can also be an issue with Microlight engines such as Rotax 912's. These engines are designed to run on unleaded fuels, but they will run on Avgas 100LL - indeed Public Cat aircraft, such as the Rotax engined Diamond DA-20's used for flight training, for must run leaded Avgas 100LL. A similar trick can be employed with this engine too when using Avgas 100LL.

If you are running a Rotax 912, using the recommended NGK DCPR8E plug and you find it is fouling then try using a hotter plug like the DCPR7E (also allowed by Rotax). This should help as the plug tip will run hotter and discourage the Lead Oxide deposits from forming.

There is a limit on how hot a plug should be used, the plug tip can become so hot that the plug itself becomes a source for fuel pre-ignition, which can cause engine damage.

One final question to consider is, are the plugs rotated regularly? It is common knowledge that the lower plugs in an engine will run dirtier than the top plugs even in normal operation, and rotating plugs every 25 to 50 hours is recommended by the engine manufacturers. This results in a self cleaning action, but the plugs should always be swapped in magneto sets as the plugs themselves can herald clues about the magneto condition. Swapping the plugs randomly loses this information.

Hopefully this helps in expanding on some of the myths of Lead fouling and helps you avoid being its victim in future.
 
I don’t fix what isn’t broken. To me if you don’t have hardened seats, then it isn’t going to drop a seat and wipe out your engine. Thats a plus!
 
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