j-c-c-62
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I can keep this sharing within the guard rails I believe and I believe it is potentially rather pertinent and maybe revealing for everyone.
The Set-up:
I am a septuagenarian, in fairly good health with classic old age issues prediabetic, controlled high blood pressure, overweight, active, never broken a bone or been hospitalized, don't drink, never smoked, don't do drugs, don't wear glasses,
.
I am fairly active in daily life, golf, bike riding, etc I still carry my Class A CDL with a current DOT medical card.
I have 100% Insurance coverage.
I am a big believer in vaccines; I get them all. I have had 3 pneumonia shots, RSV, tetanus, Diphtheria Polio, MMR, Smallpox, Flu shots for over 15 years, etc and 8 Covid shots. Never had more than a sore arm except for the first Covid shot that had me in bed for one day.
I have no recollection of ever having had Chicken pox and definitely never shingles. I remember "Chicken pox" everybody drink Koolaid from the same cup "parties" that I distinctly refused to attend as a kid.
The Situation:
In late May I had effectively cosmetic surgery on my eyelids to improve peripheral vision, beneficial for driving.
During the 3 week recovery you are instructed effectively to not pick up anything heavier than a gallon of milk.
So I was effectively stuck on the computer during all that recovery time.
During that time the water pump began to fail on my Dodge Ram.
After removal of stitches and approval from my Dr I tore into the Ram.
Bending over on that repair really aggravated my back, likely not helped by my previous 3 weeks of idleness.
In the middle of the repair, I needed to make a trip into town, parts store, bank, lunch, so I rode my bike for a 3 mile run.
Upon returning I was uncomfortable, so I decided, I'd tackle the rest of the repair the next day and went to bed early.
Next morning I am in severe pain from my back.
I am out for the count. I schedule a Dr appoint for Thursday as pain is not improving, I'm sleeping in a recliner.
Dr prescribes a typical anti-inflammatory and a muscle relaxant
It doesn't get any worse and I get a little relief, but I am still sleeping in a chair as I can't get comfortable.
The following Tuesday I am picking up normal monthly prescriptions at the Pharmacy where I get my vaccines.
The Motivation
I have seen and talked to many people who have dealt with shingles. Most stories are horrible and dreaded.
If I remember correctly approx 15? years ago a shingles vaccine was released.
Wanting to avoid shingles, but never being able to confirm I ever had Chicken pox, consensus was not to get the original Shingles vaccine.
Approx 6? years ago a new update shingles vaccine was released, and recently it was suggested it was OK to receive, even though one was suspected of never having chicken pox.
I have been keeping an eye on the new Shingrix vaccine to see how it's been received, and I heard little negative.
Being my lifetime track record with vaccines of every nature has been nearly stellar, the fact I was pretty sedimentary while my back recuperated, and I was expecting in the coming months in the fall to be taking separate flu and covid shots (I prefer and suggest it's best to space all vaccine shots, you will see why later), I asked for and was given a Shingrix vaccine on Tuesday afternoon.
Everything Goes South
My arm is normally sore from the shot, my neck is bothering me and I attribute that to odd position I am sleeping in the chair, my breathing is tough and I attribute that to my back pain.
I don't get much quality sleep.
Wednesday my back pain neck pain is still in play, both pains are more focused on right side, breathing seems oddly related to back pain?
I make another Dr appointment for Thursday PM.
Dr hears all above, but I don't mention and he doesn't ask about the vaccine shot.
He doesn't seem to care much about the back or neck pain, the breathing concerns him, insists on a chest X ray which I am given and its read offsite?, writes me a prescription for a spirometer.
I am walking into the Pharmacy on Friday to pick up my prescription and the Dr calls me on my cell phone and informs me I have collapsed right lung.
He says if I have ANY breathing issues that worsen before my next follow-up appointment with him on Tues, head straight to the ER.
On Saturday I am having trouble with my breathing simply walking to the mailbox. I decide an ER visit is in order, except there is a huge line of storms stuck between me in the sticks and the closest ER 35 miles away.
I decide to give it another day.
Sunday it's not better, ER here I come.
The ER
On Sunday I'm headed to ER.
They admit me for 4 days. They put me on O2 promptly and I get quick relief, the recliner bed also helps.
They run blood work, Chest X ray, CT scan, EKG, "Sniff" test, check my vitals every 4 hours.
They will not release me until I have O2 service at my home, I live alone so that can't happen until I am home, so they won't release me.
I get it set-up at my daughters 150 miles away and I will go there.
The Hospital Pulmonary Dr said the sniff test (basically a X ray video of your chest while you take a very robust sniff) indicated I had collapsed right lung caused by a partially paralysed diaphragm on the right side. He said they don't know why it is not working, and it only sometimes recovers, so "deal with it".
I check out with a personal portable O2 tank for breathing.
Not once was a Shingrix vaccine ever asked about, mentioned, or discussed. It is in my medical records as are all the other vaccines I have received in past 15? years
The Cleveland Clinic
My daughter nearly blew a gasket when I shared the last comment with her. It was a bit depressing to think I would be stuck on O2 the rest of my life and all that would mean for reasons unknown.
A week later I am at Cleveland clinic, being seen by a Thoracic surgeon, Pulmonologist, and a Neurologist, and they run 20? more tests over next three weeks. Again no one asks or mentions the Shingrix vaccine.
My sister. my daughter and I start an online search to dig deeper, and Guilliam-Barre Syndrome (GBS) keeps popping up caused by vaccines. I am starting to get some right-hand numbness /shooting painsin my wrist.
On a subsequent visit I ask the Neurologist about a potential GBS connection, she says, "oh, that is very rare"
Yes it is apparently, 2-3 per 100,000, and most severe symptom is breathing issues (phrenic nerve that controls the diaphragm) and requires immediate medical attention, and 6% of the 2-3 affected die.
Nobody at Cleveland Clinic has ever mentioned GBS or Shingrix
The Law
It appears the Vaccine makers sought liability protection in order to offer vaccines. They were given that protection in 1998? for a number of well-known vaccines.
The Government set up a no-fault program to financially compensate those "injured" by a vaccine. The injured only has to document an injury, proof of vaccine, and the fund determines damages, and pays the injured's legal fees separate from the compensation. No trial, ever. They have already paid out over $4 billion.
Covid comes along and they set up its own separate fund.
The fly in the ointment, Shingrix is omitted from both funds.
Remember before I said NEVER get both two vaccines at once? This is why.
My Predicament
I have contacted 4 legal firms, one being the nation's largest, nobody will take the case, mostly I suspect because there is no "easy" money for Shingrix vaccine.
Nearly all current vaccines in fine print mention "do not take their vaccine if you have ever had an allergenic reaction to the vaccines components or GBS"
What the heck does that mean? GBS from their vaccine or any vaccine?
I don't yet have a formal diagnosis of GBS, there is no definitive test, its more exclusion of everything else type logic, the Dr's will not even mention the name.
I have partially recovered breathing, I have a positive track record with 8 covid shots, I don't want to get covid, because I will be a goner.
Same for Flu shots.
If I show up ap at another ER after a vaccine shot, I am likely to be dead before they figure out its GBS related There is some time dependent medication available.
I likely have no future possible claim against the funds for flu or covid shots if I get a GBS reaction because I was warned not to take them.
I can't get any qualified Dr to give/suggest any health advice/options here.
I want to get shots.
I want to be around people/places.
I don't want to wear mask full/part time
I don't want to be on O2 full/part time (currently)
I will not get the suggested second Shingrix shot.
Not being able to breath is rather scary and sucks, pun intended.
I hope this has been somewhat informative and apologize for its length
If you made it this far, I'll buy you a beer the first time we ever meet.
The Set-up:
I am a septuagenarian, in fairly good health with classic old age issues prediabetic, controlled high blood pressure, overweight, active, never broken a bone or been hospitalized, don't drink, never smoked, don't do drugs, don't wear glasses,
.I am fairly active in daily life, golf, bike riding, etc I still carry my Class A CDL with a current DOT medical card.
I have 100% Insurance coverage.
I am a big believer in vaccines; I get them all. I have had 3 pneumonia shots, RSV, tetanus, Diphtheria Polio, MMR, Smallpox, Flu shots for over 15 years, etc and 8 Covid shots. Never had more than a sore arm except for the first Covid shot that had me in bed for one day.
I have no recollection of ever having had Chicken pox and definitely never shingles. I remember "Chicken pox" everybody drink Koolaid from the same cup "parties" that I distinctly refused to attend as a kid.
The Situation:
In late May I had effectively cosmetic surgery on my eyelids to improve peripheral vision, beneficial for driving.
During the 3 week recovery you are instructed effectively to not pick up anything heavier than a gallon of milk.
So I was effectively stuck on the computer during all that recovery time.
During that time the water pump began to fail on my Dodge Ram.
After removal of stitches and approval from my Dr I tore into the Ram.
Bending over on that repair really aggravated my back, likely not helped by my previous 3 weeks of idleness.
In the middle of the repair, I needed to make a trip into town, parts store, bank, lunch, so I rode my bike for a 3 mile run.
Upon returning I was uncomfortable, so I decided, I'd tackle the rest of the repair the next day and went to bed early.
Next morning I am in severe pain from my back.
I am out for the count. I schedule a Dr appoint for Thursday as pain is not improving, I'm sleeping in a recliner.
Dr prescribes a typical anti-inflammatory and a muscle relaxant
It doesn't get any worse and I get a little relief, but I am still sleeping in a chair as I can't get comfortable.
The following Tuesday I am picking up normal monthly prescriptions at the Pharmacy where I get my vaccines.
The Motivation
I have seen and talked to many people who have dealt with shingles. Most stories are horrible and dreaded.
If I remember correctly approx 15? years ago a shingles vaccine was released.
Wanting to avoid shingles, but never being able to confirm I ever had Chicken pox, consensus was not to get the original Shingles vaccine.
Approx 6? years ago a new update shingles vaccine was released, and recently it was suggested it was OK to receive, even though one was suspected of never having chicken pox.
I have been keeping an eye on the new Shingrix vaccine to see how it's been received, and I heard little negative.
Being my lifetime track record with vaccines of every nature has been nearly stellar, the fact I was pretty sedimentary while my back recuperated, and I was expecting in the coming months in the fall to be taking separate flu and covid shots (I prefer and suggest it's best to space all vaccine shots, you will see why later), I asked for and was given a Shingrix vaccine on Tuesday afternoon.
Everything Goes South
My arm is normally sore from the shot, my neck is bothering me and I attribute that to odd position I am sleeping in the chair, my breathing is tough and I attribute that to my back pain.
I don't get much quality sleep.
Wednesday my back pain neck pain is still in play, both pains are more focused on right side, breathing seems oddly related to back pain?
I make another Dr appointment for Thursday PM.
Dr hears all above, but I don't mention and he doesn't ask about the vaccine shot.
He doesn't seem to care much about the back or neck pain, the breathing concerns him, insists on a chest X ray which I am given and its read offsite?, writes me a prescription for a spirometer.
I am walking into the Pharmacy on Friday to pick up my prescription and the Dr calls me on my cell phone and informs me I have collapsed right lung.
He says if I have ANY breathing issues that worsen before my next follow-up appointment with him on Tues, head straight to the ER.
On Saturday I am having trouble with my breathing simply walking to the mailbox. I decide an ER visit is in order, except there is a huge line of storms stuck between me in the sticks and the closest ER 35 miles away.
I decide to give it another day.
Sunday it's not better, ER here I come.
The ER
On Sunday I'm headed to ER.
They admit me for 4 days. They put me on O2 promptly and I get quick relief, the recliner bed also helps.
They run blood work, Chest X ray, CT scan, EKG, "Sniff" test, check my vitals every 4 hours.
They will not release me until I have O2 service at my home, I live alone so that can't happen until I am home, so they won't release me.
I get it set-up at my daughters 150 miles away and I will go there.
The Hospital Pulmonary Dr said the sniff test (basically a X ray video of your chest while you take a very robust sniff) indicated I had collapsed right lung caused by a partially paralysed diaphragm on the right side. He said they don't know why it is not working, and it only sometimes recovers, so "deal with it".
I check out with a personal portable O2 tank for breathing.
Not once was a Shingrix vaccine ever asked about, mentioned, or discussed. It is in my medical records as are all the other vaccines I have received in past 15? years
The Cleveland Clinic
My daughter nearly blew a gasket when I shared the last comment with her. It was a bit depressing to think I would be stuck on O2 the rest of my life and all that would mean for reasons unknown.
A week later I am at Cleveland clinic, being seen by a Thoracic surgeon, Pulmonologist, and a Neurologist, and they run 20? more tests over next three weeks. Again no one asks or mentions the Shingrix vaccine.
My sister. my daughter and I start an online search to dig deeper, and Guilliam-Barre Syndrome (GBS) keeps popping up caused by vaccines. I am starting to get some right-hand numbness /shooting painsin my wrist.
On a subsequent visit I ask the Neurologist about a potential GBS connection, she says, "oh, that is very rare"
Yes it is apparently, 2-3 per 100,000, and most severe symptom is breathing issues (phrenic nerve that controls the diaphragm) and requires immediate medical attention, and 6% of the 2-3 affected die.
Nobody at Cleveland Clinic has ever mentioned GBS or Shingrix
The Law
It appears the Vaccine makers sought liability protection in order to offer vaccines. They were given that protection in 1998? for a number of well-known vaccines.
The Government set up a no-fault program to financially compensate those "injured" by a vaccine. The injured only has to document an injury, proof of vaccine, and the fund determines damages, and pays the injured's legal fees separate from the compensation. No trial, ever. They have already paid out over $4 billion.
Covid comes along and they set up its own separate fund.
The fly in the ointment, Shingrix is omitted from both funds.
Remember before I said NEVER get both two vaccines at once? This is why.
My Predicament
I have contacted 4 legal firms, one being the nation's largest, nobody will take the case, mostly I suspect because there is no "easy" money for Shingrix vaccine.
Nearly all current vaccines in fine print mention "do not take their vaccine if you have ever had an allergenic reaction to the vaccines components or GBS"
What the heck does that mean? GBS from their vaccine or any vaccine?
I don't yet have a formal diagnosis of GBS, there is no definitive test, its more exclusion of everything else type logic, the Dr's will not even mention the name.
I have partially recovered breathing, I have a positive track record with 8 covid shots, I don't want to get covid, because I will be a goner.
Same for Flu shots.
If I show up ap at another ER after a vaccine shot, I am likely to be dead before they figure out its GBS related There is some time dependent medication available.
I likely have no future possible claim against the funds for flu or covid shots if I get a GBS reaction because I was warned not to take them.
I can't get any qualified Dr to give/suggest any health advice/options here.
I want to get shots.
I want to be around people/places.
I don't want to wear mask full/part time
I don't want to be on O2 full/part time (currently)
I will not get the suggested second Shingrix shot.
Not being able to breath is rather scary and sucks, pun intended.
I hope this has been somewhat informative and apologize for its length
If you made it this far, I'll buy you a beer the first time we ever meet.
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